Thiel Owners

Most folks agree that DSP is the future. The DEQX site is very impressive as are their reviews. The cost do "do it" actively and especially digitally is a small fraction of analog costs. And precision can be had. I note that ATC gives no phase spec, nor do I see relevant claims from Lyngdorf, but I haven't looked very hard. DEQX may really be doing it. If I were starting a company today, I certainly wouldn't be going all analog/passive! When I find time I'll share the Lexus / Thiel story.

^You’ve piqued my curiosity.

In the late 80s Toyota was building their Georgetown Camry plant and Thiel, IBM, Trane, Square D and Toyota were core members of the University of Kentucky's Advanced Engineering Initiative. What a trip. Also, the CS5 was a big deal in Japan. The chair of the AEI stirred the pot and we began exploring with Toyota a premium audio system for the not-yet-introduced Lexus. Their key people, including Mr. Toyoda, visited our plant, and we developed a proposal. Jim insisted that the best solution was integrated amp / speakers. Toyoda wanted Thiel speakers under the Mark Levinson Premium Audio System umbrella.

The project could have put us in the big-leagues, but the costs and risks of development were beyond our capacity. In fact, we were developing new products at break-neck speed and were production self-limited at 30% year on year growth with qualified dealers waiting in the wings . We couldn't handle it, even if Toyota were interested in our integrated solution proposal.

After Thiel Audio, I was involved as a consultant in a couple of Japanese  co-development ventures, and am confident that we made the right decision. Big Japanese corporations are a different animal than small American technology companies. 

What could have been - tomthiel ?
Thank  You for sharing your Toyota/Lexus story. Frankly, I am glad that you guys recognized the risks and other unknown variables in that particular equation. Perhaps, the venture would have taken away the many wonderful aspects that did become of Thiel Audio? Yes, dealings with foreign countries, friendly or not, is a different animal compared to American industry. Very few politicians are aware of these pitfalls and danger.
Happy Listening!

Past the 100 hour mark on my Mills MRA-12 resistors and it was time to evaluate the sonic difference. I had to do this in mono, comparing the upgraded speaker to the OEM version. Not ideal but the only other choice was to upgrade both speakers and rely on sonic memory. I used Roon DSP to mix the signal into mono. This allowed me to use my “reference” recordings rather than rely on rarely listened-to mono originals (which I also tried). To minimize room effects, I put the speakers close together in the middle of my room, about one foot apart (ie, each speaker had the “same” room interaction). In this position, I simply shifted a couple of feet one way or the other on my couch so that I was directly on-axis. The on-axis energy shifted the balance from what I’m used to (my normal arrangement has the speakers just under 8’ apart with no toe-in) but both speakers were equally handicapped.

Anyhow, I’ve now done two comparative sessions. My impression from both sessions is that the Mills has a fuller, richer sound although my perception of this varied from song to song. I heard little, if any, difference on solo trumpet but a pronounced difference on the well-recorded 2L Mozart violin concerto. Guitars and voices were more "full-bodied" on folk-rock, blues, and bluegrass. More “tonally-rich” might be another way to describe it. On a Chesky test recording, percussions were more emotionally engaging, toe-tapping. The Mills also seems to have a bit more texture or, at least, it was easier to hear into the microdynamics. I think this is related to my initial impression of a "lower noise floor".

All-in-all a worthwhile upgrade - audible benefits and at a reasonable price. I think Tom Thiel’s upgrade path is off to a good start.