Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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From the Dynamic Range Database, check out the wide variation in just one parameter, Dynamic Range, for the various releases and formats of the same Some Girls recording. This obviously doesn’t address variations in resolution or possible variations in Absolute Polarity, or skill in remastering,

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Rolling+Stones+&album=Some+girls

Yup. Some Girls just confirms my experience with HD tracks is they are more money for POS recordings. Really annoying to pay more for less quality. I will never buy from them again as there is no quality control - just high prices.
Thanks, geoffkait

The only release that would correlate with my LP would be 2009 so it may be that "unknown" source is vinyl. I am aware of compression/dynamic range arguments which indicate that anything with less dynamic range is much worse-sounding than uncompressed. Please correct me if I am wrong on that.

Having said that, my friend's comment when I played him that 2008/2009 LP and then 1980s CD was "This is worth a criminal charge". CD is so much more unpleasant to listen to that it hurts. According to that chart, 1980s CD has significantly better dynamic range than 2009 release. I am no big analog vs. digital fan and I have CDs that sound great and records that are not that great so I do not think it is that kind of bias.

Of course, there may be a few variables. My CD was Made in Germany and it was in those early years of CDs. I do not know if there could be any difference between that one and the one used to measure dynamic range for this chart. Something like German vs. US release, or wherever that evaluated CD was made. "Unknown" source from 2009 does not necessarily have to be my LP although I bought it around that time and it is the only option in the chart. Who knows, maybe I just prefer very compressed recordings.

Hi Guys & Gals (got an email from one of the gals who asked to be included). So just wanted to say "hello ladies". I’ll be using "Guys" or "folks" or whatever as general terms for saying "hey gang". Thanks for the emails too. I’ll do my best to be here, facebook, TuneLand and by email, but if I fall behind please be patient with me, as soon as I’m caught up with clients and my own listening I’ll be back at it.

You guys have been very kind with your private emails, thank you! It’s a lot of fun for me.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

Thank You- MGthat is quite a bit of gear! I can remember you talking/writing about the 6 rooms full of gear prior to landing closer to the Strip. I look forward in reading more about the Music that you are digging here or over on Tuneland.
Happy Listening!