Talk but not walk?

prof,

I think I should point out one thing you are mistaken. "Evasive" is not the same as "have no answer to".

As far as this thread goes, I think it is slowly dying down as it seems that whoever is left is mostly a believer, some polite and some seriously bizarre, and questioners have dropped off due to concerns you pointed out. Sadly, it has been clear from early on that the OP has not had much to do with deepening the conversation and conversation itself did not yield much of a constructive insight even about tuning that infiltrated it.


However, you will have to agree that thread was successful in what you, and I have to admit me too, feel its purpose was. Some of us have gone to the website that we had not gone before, and got informed about it. Now, that is what I would call a successful marketing. I am yet waiting for verdict if my visit was fortunate or unfortunate. I hope to get an answer about laminar flow (asked in one of my earlier posts) as it would be something new learned and, in some way, a breakthrough in my current understanding and practice that relates to laminar and turbulent flow in daily applications. The question is as simple as it gets, the answer may not be, but I am willing to try and be thankful for clarification.

glupson,

I hear you. Though I think "evasive" or "dismissive" are still apt descriptors of MG’s replies to my posts (and some others) in this thread.

But yes, of course his relentless self-promotion across many forums no doubt draws some people to his website. He has been doing this in forums and comment sections for decades. This is pretty typical MG evangelizing/hawking his company:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/roomtuning-front-center-soundstage

It’s just wreaks of self-promotion and advertising...which of course it is.  (Although I DO think he is sincere and so I do get some of the evangelical nature of his posts - he's passionate.  But the posts really do also seem business-driven).

I had seen MG posting on various forums over the years, but never really paid much attention. Now I know it was probably best to keep not paying attention.

(BTW, I in no way conclude that all MG’s techniques are without any merit, or that he can not "tune" a room to possibly sound excellent. But I have to admit now being put off having noticed the character of his posts, and certainly a number of his claims fall well into the dubious woo-woo land of audiophile tweaks, nuzzling happily with things like demagnetizing CDs and many other tweaks that have brought our hobby in to ill-repute).

Hello Agon

Hope everyone had a great weekend of listening. I can hardly believe it is Sunday night. I’ll go back through and read the posts when I get a chance. Over the course of this thread I have now received 13 emails about the thread from Audiogon members who have been reading along and expressed their opinions to me.

I haven’t gone back to see how many posters there have been on this thread, but what I have seen is that there are 4 or 5 of you here that have spoken in the same light as these emails. In general you are positive about the hobby and have had a few choice words for those who are negative. I don’t know if I am the exception or the rule here, but I appreciate the mail. What I feel is the same Vibe as I visit this thread. After a while I tend to look for the posts that are from the ones giving off good vibes and skipping over the ones giving off negativity. I do go back and read the negative ones but am getting to the place where I am less wanting to. There have been a few highlights for me, and the drumming video is one of them. When I see folks digging into tuning and what can be done that excites me. As I was listening today, I was looking at my system thinking how similar it is to that drum set and how easy it is to get from one sound to the next.

For those onlookers, I hope you have been able to take away the positives, your own highlights, and most of all the desire to take your systems to a place of flexibility that you haven’t had in the past. The more you explore the audio signal as a variable and your system as a tool of adjusting the audio signal the more you are going to be able to bring more out of your recordings. The debate over good and bad recordings will change for you as Tom Miiller said in TAS, Guy Lemcoe Stereophile, Les Linton, Harry Pearson, Mike Gindy, Jeff from TONEAudio and lots of others. What these folks and myself are saying is there’s a big picture out there and you can go anywhere you want within the picture. When you start to let the music be your guide instead of only one setting on your system, you are going to find all kinds of open doors on recordings that you never knew was there, whether it’s a recording you thought was substandard or ones that have always sounded great to you. The folks who have come up here saying they can play almost every recording they have to a higher level of enjoyment, is a goal that can make any listener jump for joy.

I also think it’s great that some folks have found products for room correction as a tool. Our recordings are treasures and when we discover how to open them up more it’s like finding a new hobby that we didn’t know existed before.

As far as the folks who have been negative about me and tuning, that really doesn’t matter. There’s always going to be those folks who try to pry open the negative in any way they can (I saw this on the Stereophile forum as well), and to be honest, who knows if they were on purpose trying to be negative. On TuneLand it is a different vibe altogether. When they (negative Vibe seekers) came up on this thread and started to do their thing I went to a few other threads here that started pretty much the same way as I did. I think many folks who post here try to start off with some kind of plea for civility cause there is so much trolling taking place. It’s kind of like "ok guys, I’m going to start this thread please don’t beat me up before we get a chance to get into some thoughts" lol. That’s life on Agon and many other public sites, no biggie. After a while I’m sure readers learn their sifting through techniques and move on. I'm sure the mods here have their hands full at times, even though there are many great folks here.

You folks have a great start to your week and thanks to all of you for participating on the thread. I wish we could have gone a little deeper, but I’m not crazy about spending my time in the negatives when there is so much to be positive about in this hobby.

Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net

Prof wrote,

“(BTW, I in no way conclude that all MG’s techniques are without any merit, or that he can not "tune" a room to possibly sound excellent.”

>>>>Gosh, that’s awful decent of you. What a guy!

“But I have to admit now being put off having noticed the character of his posts, and certainly a number of his claims fall well into the dubious woo-woo land of audiophile tweaks, nuzzling happily with things like demagnetizing CDs and many other tweaks that have brought our hobby in to ill-repute).”

>>>>>Unfortunately for your “argument” demagnetizing CDs is actually not snake oil, woo or pseudo science. And even if was, that line of argument is just another one of your many logical fallacies, people that believe in Tuning probably believe in UFOs, that sort of thing. It’s actually people like the professor who are bringing the hobby to ill repute with his long-winded pseudo arguments, diatribes and smear campaign. Better luck next time, professor.

On with the Inquisition! 👺