We give up perspective to avoid tone controls


Hi Everyone,

While most of my thread starters are meant to be fun, I realize this one is downright provocative, so I'm going to try extra hard to be civil. 

One thing that is implicit in the culture of "high end audio" is the disdain for any sort of electronic equalization. The culture disdains the use of anything other than a volume control. Instead we attempt to change everything to avoid this. Speakers, speaker cables, amplifiers, and power cords. We'll shovel tens of thousands of dollars of gear in and out of our listening room to avoid them. 

Some audiophiles even disdain any room acoustic treatments. I heard one brag, after saying he would never buy room treatments: "I will buy a house or not based on how good the living room is going to sound." 

What's weird to me, is how much equalization is done in the mastering studio, how different pro speakers may sound from what you have in your listening room, and how much EQ happens within the speakers themselves. The RIAA circuits in all phono preamps IS a complicated three state EQ, we're OK with that, but not tone controls? 

What attracts us to this mind set? Why must we hold ourselves to this kind of standard? 

Best,


E
erik_squires
@ nitrobob
Isn't Audyssey a tone control ?
Audyssey is both time and tone. I use it for radio with pictures aka HDTV, but would never play music through it.

I tried to play music through it once and the missus said "You're joking, right?"

One day when someone plays me a DVD music performance to show off their system I'm gonna pluck up the courage to tell them the sound it just awful...
Let's put Audyssey in a different category! :) 

I agree it sounds horrible. 

But this isn't a condemnation of all DSP or room correction. Just this particular implementation. 

Best,

E
Audyssey has a lot of settings, some more intrusive than others.  It seems to be a love-it-or-hate-it thing, though it does get more praise as an HT solution than a 2-channel solution.  

With the new Audyssey curve editor app you can limit the frequencies that it corrects for though, so you could set it to just EQ below the Schroeder frequency for your room and leave everything above untouched.
Tute:

Yep, but how many want to do this? 

I mean, I do, but I'm a geek. :) I think when it comes to auto-room correction, the default curves matter a great deal. That's why I like to recommend JL Audio despite their absurd prices, and Dirac. I think they have the best default, out of the box settings. 

Best,

E
Hello All,
    There are times when I tweak the heck out of even well recorded music.... Sometimes I listen to music at very low volumes and I max out the tone controls and the ‘compensate’ circuit of my Accuphase E-470. I’m surprised that listening at low volumes and the need to boost certain frequencies hasn’t made this discussion. 
    Also, I feel like I have very sensitive hearing and even at normal listening levels I can’t perceive any degradation to the sound when using the tone control on the Accuphase. I will never by an integrated or preamp without them again.

~Oran