Talk but not walk?

My final message to Michael:

My intent in entering this thread was not to disparage your products,  nor is that my aim now.

I didn't know much about them, except some notion about your tuned speakers and room tuning products.

As I've indicated more than once: I'm entirely open to the idea that you have been able to produce some impressive sound using some of your methods.  I'd love to hear a Michael Green tuned speaker in a tuned room.  I wouldn't be surprised to find it impressive, and even to be blown away.  I also would be intrigued to hear the system "tune" for different recordings.  On some level, that certainly sounds cool and I don't necessarily doubt I'd be impressed.

Do I have doubts about some of your other tuning claims?  Obviously.

But someone having honest doubts, thinking critically, and voicing reasons for skepticism is no reason to treat them as being "negative" people or "trolls."  We are all trying to figure out this high end audio thing, and I think we need to be open to ways of discussing our different opinions without automatically dismissing the other side as negative, fakers or trolls.  Wouldn't you agree?

My first reply was a completely sincere attempt to get you to re-consider the wisdom of how you started this thread, which came off as being about calling people out as "fakes."   Being careful not to impugn your motives, I pointed out why that could backfire if you mean to set up civil and friendly discourse.  And I voiced honest questions about what exactly you meant, your meaning of "empirical" etc.

Despite that the validity of my points to you were acknowledged by several other people in the thread, your first reply dismissed my concerns, didn't address anything I wrote, and instead suggested that I exemplified the "fakers" you were calling out in your OP.

It shouldn't be hard to see why that wouldn't be a good way forward either.

I tried to re-group and point out I was asking honest, pertinent questions....but was only greeted with dismissals.

Things only spiraled downward from there.

So, again, as I said, like others I welcome the input of anyone, industry professionals especially.  The more the merrier.  But I would hope that when you participate again here, that you at least consider the possibility that some of my points had validity, and that calling people fakes and/or presuming someone with skeptical questions to be only interested in negativity or trolling, is a mind-set that should be re-considered.

I hope your future experiences here go better.

Peace.

Prof.

prof,

You nailed it again. Not everyone is able to put thoughts into well-written sentences with clear argument around here, but you remain the standard. Despite occasional disagreements with your approach to it, it has been pleasure to read it. Even at the lowest point, when you and Michael Green started exchanging what I would call insults, it remained somewhat humorous and Michael gets half a credit for it. I hope to come across your posts and points of view in the future and I certainly hope that Michael Green remains on the block, too. Like him, or not, he does bring a different whiff and forces you to think. Regardless of final outcome and agreement or disagreement you may have. He certainly provided fodder for my thoughts over the last couple of days.


Keep on a good job, both of you. Michael to make his customers happy, and prof to keep reins on it all.

Oh, brother! Just when you thought it couldn’t get any sillier.

Let me put it another way. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck...it’s a duck! 🦆

“Ask not for whom the troll bellows. He bellows for you.” - audiophile saying

“Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop.” - audiophile axiom

“Sound quality ultimately has very little to do with technical specifications.” - audiophile axiom

Gonna raise me an army, some tough sons of bitches
I’ll recruit my army from the orphanages
I been to St. Herman’s church, said my religious vows
I’ve sucked the milk out of a thousand cows

your friend and humble scribe,

geoff kait
machinations dramatica

Very kind of you, glupson.  Thanks!