Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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prof,

Glupson is right. Not worth getting too worked up over nonsense. Nonsense has no limit whereas common sense and reason does. FWIW I give you most coherent poster award for this thread. You and Glupson both did a great job. I admire your patience!
Nothing sadder or funnier than a gaggle of self congratulatory pseudo skeptics lingering around patting each other on the hiney. What you you going to do now? No more whack a mole. Bring out the crying towels. There’s no joy in Mudville today. 😢 MG sure was right about fakes after all. 😀
Nothing sadder or funnier than a gaggle of self congratulatory pseudo skeptics lingering around patting each other on the hiney.

How about a do-nothing but talk, self congratulatory, egotistical, demeaning, charlatan tweak promoter, with a never-ending supply of nonsense, who used to work for NASA, but now lazily buys other peoples junk, rather than make something himself, and sells those and other common everyday things people take for granted, like phone calls, as bad jokes described as tweaks to gullible "audiophiles" with extra money to burn and is proud of it?
You do have to be careful in what you read about in audio. There is so much nonsense spouted ad infinitum. The worst of it intentionally. 

Ultimately you should be able to save yourself a lot of energy, time and money if you are able to consider the motives behind the words.

The practices of the recording and broadcasting world are one good place to start because they understand that time and money are finite resources.



mapman,

Why do you bother? The guy may actually be photonically-superior to the rest of us. He does come across as being out of this world and a few more things. What the heck, he has been worth having here if only for this last poem. Could you pull that off? I thought so. Neither could prof, Michael Green, cd318, uberwaltz, or I. So give guy the credit. Except that he would be better appreciated in some other entertainment venue. This is a very narrow-minded crowd.