What's happened to the used high end market recently?? Sales are tough....:0(


The heading says it all!! What do you guys think is the reason that the sales in the used high end market have gone soft??
Prices too high? Economy too slow?? Stock market too volatile?? Something else??

Thoughts....
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I've noticed very high prices for quality used gear on Ebay.   My Nakamichi 7A cassette deck I purchased for $700 in 1990 is now $1,500 to $5,900 averaging $2,500 (more than new), my Marantz 7T pre-amp I purchased for $150 in 1995 is now $1,200 to $3,000 with several in the mid-$2,000s, my Mac MC30s which I was given in 2000 are now $1000-$2000, my SME IV which I paid $1100 in 1989 is now $4,700 NEW (and being used on the latest SME turntable).   

So, some high end older audio gear has vastly appreciated in the current market.  I think speakers have dropped the most unless they are Tannoys or Altecs from the 50's and 60's.  My Legacy Focus speakers sold today for $12,000 are not the same as my 25 year old pair which now resell for only $2200-$2500 (a bargain).   

If I replace my speakers, I'm looking at $50-60K for Einsteins, Luminwhites or Von Schweikert VR55Ks.  That's high end dollars.
This is a really interesting thread as the same discussion has been around for a number of years in South Africa mainly because of our weak currency. $1 costs us +- R13.50. When you consider that R1 used to cost us .75 US cents (+- 50 years ago) things have got out of hand. So HEA is very expensive here. Having said this we have not a bad variety of HEA to chose from. So I have what i consider not to bad a system. Sonus Faber Amati futura Mcintosh 601power amps ML 523 pre amp Dcs Puccini etc. So 2 weekends ago i got to hear the Kii3's. These were one of the first 2 sets that arrived in South Africa. In my opinion, if I did not have what i have i would be entirely happy to purchase this system. Incredible dynamic  range very open and detailed. Voices and acoustics amazing and at about a 1/5th of what my system cost. Could this be the way of the future for HEA. High end streaming plus the option of integrating you existing system. Sure to appeal to a large spectrum of Audiophiles and budding audiophiles out there. And the BXT base add ons were launched also 2 weeks ago as well. This is my opinion. What do you think?
The high end market is doing better than ever. Ordinary bits of wire for multiple $1000s. Fuses for $150 ($149 profit to the seller) and you can buy contact paste that is 100,000 times more expensive than toothpaste!

Profits have never ever been higher!
Used cables used to be easy to sell at a 50% discount.  Now it is more like 75 percent just to get an even lower bid.  In addition, most of the sales for me come from Asia.  You send it to an address in California.  They forward it to the buyer in Asia.  It probably gets resold in the Asian
 market.
For goods that depreciate very little, I buy new. For items that depreciate rapidly, I buy pre-owned. Simple right? What I think we hear through all of the white noise is that the residual values people once took for granted may no longer apply. Someone could buy a used amp or a pair of speakers, use it for a year and sell it on and remain relatively whole. Thats how alot of people built their systems over the years, they built up equity along the way and were able to build a higher end system. BUT.....

The laws of the free market can’t be suspended forever. I keep seeing in posts that the high end is dying because my cables depreciated....well, thats the way it goes. Additionally, not ALL cables depreciate so rapidly so the logical conclusion must be that those very special cables that you want to replace for some reason may not be so special after all. Compunding this example is if the very special cables you are trying to sell happen to have been discussed frequently on the millions of audio forums present today, the buying public has naturally formed an opinion regarding performance, value and availability/scarcity. Advances happen in product offerings and those advances factor in as well, further depreciating pre-owned pricing. Anyone who is old enough to have a $2,000 Motorola bag phone from 30 years ago in the bottom of a closet understands this.

Its all relative on value though. Many of my co-workers now consider so many items as their birthright that were once thought of as luxuries. When I was first starting out, a new car wasn’t in the cards lete alone a car for every licensed driver. Cable and telephone were luxuries and a choice for your budget. The idea of a $5 cup of coffee or eating out each meal as a daily expenditure seemed science fiction. I also aspired to do better and I never recall feeling resentment when others were prospering disproportionately better than I was. Just because everyone can’t afford whatever they want doesn’t make it unfair but it does create opportunities for all of us to weigh our choices more carefully. I’m thrilled when someone trades in their $120,000 two year old car for $50,000 with only 15,000 miles. I like buying that car rather than the $50,000 new car that so many buy on credit for 72 months. Horses for courses....so back to audio.

We have been spoiled that audio gear typically depreciated quickly at first and then slowly/not at all thereafter. That still applies with really good, high demand equipment....not so much with items that are viewed by the buying public as compromised or commoditized items. How come nobody posts a new thread with the title “ I paid too much for an item several years ago because I assumed it would be worth more when I sell it when something better comes along” or “I’m embarrassed that the buying public doesn’t place a high value on my lousy cables that I’m trying to dump”.

just sayin...