Beware the audio guru


There are a few contributors to these forums who apparently see themselves as gurus. They speak in absolutes, using words such as "always" and "never." They make pronouncements about products or techniques they’ve never heard or experienced, justifying their conclusions because contrary claims are "impossible" or "snake oil." Those who disagree are accused of being "deluded," or suffering some insurmountable bias, or attempting to further some commercial agenda. On occasion, they have taunted detractors with an appeal that they engage in a wager - one guy wanted $25,000 cash up front and an agreement drafted by lawyers. Another offered 5-to-1 odds.

I am not going to tell you who to believe. But for anyone who might be uncertain about sorting out conflicting claims here, I suggest they consider the behavior of experts in other fields. No good doctor offers a 100 percent guarantee on any treatment or surgical procedure, even if medical science suggests success. No good attorney will tell you that you have a case that positively can’t be lost, even if the law appears to be on your side. No true professional will insult you for the questions you ask, or abandon you if you seek a second opinion.

A doctor conducts his own tests. An engineer makes his own measurements. Neither will insist the burden of documentation falls upon you.

These might be details to consider as you sift through the many conflicting claims made on Audiogon. In short: Decide for yourself. Don’t let other people tell you how to think, or listen.
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Note that there is no actual engineering or scientific analysis proving that allegedly "better and way more expensive" fuses make a difference relative to a working stock fuse IN THE SOUND OF THINGS. They’re exclusively supported by "claims" of hearing things, which in my experience (extensively testing and comparing the damn things) is just silly when these claims , although possibly sincere, don’t take into account what fuses actually do with their tiny meltable wires. Hyperbole driven opinions don’t do any favors for the often sales driven purveyors of fringe tweaks, a fact lost on many when large profits or insecurity by listeners come into play, "Mom, I spent 150 bucks on this fuse so I MUST hear better cello tone and an expanded soundstage or I’m simply unworthy...schedule a session with my therapist now..."

You probably should have included in your first sentence, “...that there is no actual engineering or scientific analysis proving that allegedly “better and way more expensive” fuses make a difference relative to a working stock fuse in the SOUND OF THING” the caveat, “at least as far as I know.” Since not only did HiFi Tuning provide the evidence in measurements but also subject listening tests that correlated with the measurements. Also, there is the sticky evudebcecwe have that NASA began testing technically advanced fuses as early as 20 years ago. I kind suspect NASA probably did a careful engineering and scientific analysis of various fuse options, at least in terms of technical performance, don’t you? A clever fellow would probably be able to track down some NASA fuse analysis reports, no? How ‘bout reporting back what you find out?
Fuses are known to be odd order harmonic distorting in their current clamping, and this translates to forms of inconstant non-repeating odd order harmonics.

The ear is INORDINATELY sensitive to this sort of distortion signal.
It is how we stay alive as a human animal. Core. Critical. Absolute in value. the snap of a small twig, the rustling of the grass, the thup thup thup of the padded foot of the predator approaching, the breath of the tiger, the change in the bird song...we are wired for it. Core.  Our ears and associated brain aspects never sleep. As long as we are alive, our hearing is on. Like the heart, it never stops.

Some of us have these skills undeveloped or absent, some of us have it still... and overdeveloped, even.

Prove it! Besides in one direction fuse distortion is audibly much lower. So you’re trying to tell me odd order harmonics are directional? Hmmmmm....
cleeds,

If you keep reading the forums, I’m confident you’ll recognize those who speak in absolute terms. I’m not going to single anyone out beyond what I did in the original post.


Hmm...

1. I’ve been active on this forum for years now, and don’t recognize or recall anyone making the type of absolutist claims you’ve depicted.

2. What I HAVE seen, almost routinely - and especially applied to my arguments - is misrepresentations and strawmen. Every time I say "I’d like to see some better evidence for that" or "here are reasons for some skepticism about that claim..." it’s translated into "you are dogmatically dismissing the claim as impossible while having no experience with the claim in question."

So I’m going to have to remain skeptical on these grounds, until I see more evidence that anyone is making the statements you are attributing to them. I don’t deny it; I just have reasons to not simply accept your OP as accurate.

Of course, I certainly agree that anyone who DOES make absolute claims isn’t being very reasonable and should be regarded with caution.


prof, I don’t mean to start a fight, but isn’t that what religious skeptics or doubters frequently say, “I just want to see some evidence.”? Your self proclaimed position as a sincere skeptic looking for the truth is not exactly bolstered by your recent statement that after all was said and done with your battle with vibration isolation you were not able to hear the fruits 🍌 🍉 🍎 of your labor. As I’m find of saying, a real skeptic would perhaps be more aggressive, you know, roll up his sleeves and dive in, kind of what MG was suggesting all along. A lot of these subjects, isolation, RFI shielding, directionality, Tuning I suspect, I don’t know that much at all about Tuning, usually turn out to be more complex than they do at first blush. I don’t suppose you tried to visit Tuneland to seek answers to your burning 🔥 questions.