Why are my woofers pumping?


The other day, with sunlight direct from the side, I noticed that the woofers in my speakers are pumping in and out, much more than I was aware of, when the stylus is in the groove, even between tracks (no music).  I can see it, even if I don’t hear it. Why does it happen? The woofers behave normally (no pumping) with digital music, and when the stylus it lifted from the groove, so it is not the speakers, amps, preamp or phono stage. 

I’ve read that the typical reason for woofer pumping is that the cartridge / arm resonance is too low.  I tested, with my Hifi News test record, and yes, the lateral test puts the resonance at 7 hz or so – too low (but I’ve seen some doubts about the results from that test record).  It is strange, since the combo I use – Lyra Atlas cartridge and  SME V arm (on a Hanss T-30 player) is supposed to work well. I tried to strip my arm of extras, cleaned the damping trough, etc – but it did not help much.

Anyone has an idea, why it happens, or what to do about it?  


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Dear Raul, thanks!

1)
The speaker system is Audiokinesis, Dream Makers in front, plus LCS speakers firing towards the roof, in the back of the fronts.
Similar to this one (but in much nicer light wood):http://www.audiokinesis.com/dream-maker-lcs.htmlThe frequency response is down to 20hz or lower in the combined system, not sure. It goes deep, that's sure.
But if speaker energy into the room etc was the main culprit, I would NOT have woofer pumping on my vinyl recordings (made when the speakers were off) - and I have!
2 Borrow full SS phono pre - yes, good idea. But again, I wonder, if this would solve the mystery. If it was related to the phono pre, the pumping should appear, depending on the volume. But it doesn't. It only appears when the needle is in the groove. More or less, depending on the vinyl record. Usually - maybe always - in EXACT repeat, each turn of the record.

The pumping pattern seems to follow its own logic, different from the normal vibrations and excitations of the woofer. As stated above, it is less obvious within than between tracks. This evidence suggests that it does indeed relate to the cart - arm match - it has too low resonance, and picks up too much down-below vinyl excitations, for some tastes, or just "good enough" for other tastes. The whole system goes deep down.

We played Pink Floyd: Meddle, the intro number, with the hammering bass, and noticed that a bit of pumping was still there, but NOT in time with the bass notes, but repeating - like before - in a once per revolution pattern.



"The highlighted noise on the LP playback, approximately 7 Hz, is absent on the CD. By the way, the very low frequency noise was present on every LP I played for this test: from new pristine vinyl to older worn LPs with more clicks and crackles."
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=99388
Again, think KAB rumble filter with RCA to XLR adapters.  Problem will be solved with no detrimental effects.
O_holter. As I said and agree with CT_0517-I think it acoustical feedback going back into your cartridge. Today I am trying some new phono interconnects and they’re shorter, so I had to take one TT off my “floating” support platform and placed it beside the speaker.  My TT platform is on my left side wall.  Anyway put on Supertramp Crime Of The Century, which is not that bass heavy. No main speaker woofer pumping, but my two JL-Fathom 113’s didn’t like it at all. I was convinced your problem was acoustical, but I read you experienced almost the same problem with cd’s and that it had a rhythm to it like going over a road with expanders in it. Bump...bump... bump...etc. If this is what you’re experiencing, it has to be TT related-except you said you heard it when playing a cd too. My advice-hire an exorcist. Can’t see anyway you can have the sound in both cd and vinyl playing. If only in vinyl, you will probably need a subsonic filter, as I said before. You can always build an isolated floating table, as I did, or buy a TT platform designed for high tech precision instruments at around $5K😳. Please keep me informed. I would like to know what solved your problem, if you find the culprit.
Another thought, you may have a bad crossover in your speaker, but that would have to be both speakers failing and that’s very unlikely, but virtually everything you’ve described makes no sense. Don’t get the wrong idea-I believe you, it just doesn’t add up. You’ve invested many hours in posting and trying suggestions.  I feel your pain. Pls try a filter.  If that doesn’t work, you must be in the Twilight Zone.  No disrespect intended. It’s just too crazy.  🙃