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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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jf47t
116 posts
 

OK here's what you do amg.

That thing at the top of your page. You type in "how to tune a guitar" now click on videos and it will take you to about a hundred or so videos on tuning a guitar. Now if you choose to pick another instrument simply type in that instrument and it will tell you how to tune it. Let us know what you learn.

prof
3,479 posts
 
jf47t,

So, are you able to answer my question about how tuneland would react to such a thread as I described?

Can you find it in yourself, just for a moment, to honestly answer questions?


(And...out of curiosity....do you live with Michael or something?  Because your posts are getting kind of weird in the access you continually seem to have to whatever Michael is doing and what is going on at his house. )


glupson
7,842 posts
 
jf47t,

Oh my, slow down. Your posts eventually come across as anti-Michael Green. It is sure that you are having fun there and all is well, but to undecided your idolizing posts become off-putting. Do Michael Green some favor, slow down.

"Now I realize that each recording can and should be tuned in as an individual set of values."
That is really unfortunate as it becomes a playground only for those who either sell adjustments for living or have absolutely nothing else to do in their lives. I will accept your statement, but for most of the people whose day has only 24 hours, adjusting a system for each song becomes irrelevant possibility. Who on Earth would, if the premise is true, ever want to go down the road of tuning? It seems like a completely useless opportunity. I do not doubt that Michael Green is the master of it, but now I have thoughts about futility of such a thing.
jf47t
116 posts
 

Hi Prof

We live in a cool place just off the strip on the edge of the Arts District in Vegas. There are 4 audiophiles and a few other musicians that all live within a few feet of each other. This whole area is basically an entertainment hub and Vegas is pouring a lot of money into making from Sahara to downtown one giant arts center. Lots of music playing all the time and when MG moved in we all got systems and it's been one big listening party ever since. Many times MG doesn't even lock his door folks come in and jamm out, it's a cool hang. It's gated of course with good security. It's been nicknamed TuneLand on the Strip. I think MG's going to put in a tunable room here which will probably be open to anyone.

jf47t
116 posts
 

Hi Glupson per whole cd as the engineers usually make each full playback source a package. Some best hits you will find the song have different settings but for the most part if you tune to the LP your good to go. It’s very much like adjusting a turntable slightly per vinyl. Or you can set the tune to one particular sound and leave it till you want to make a change.

You say not for you? OK next time you change out an amplifier think about it. Or as far as that goes anything in your system. Tuning is much more practical and easier than HEA plug and play and you end up with better sound and sound the way you want it on your whole music collection.

Beats the heck out of never quite being content with a piece of music or a piece of gear. One system and your done. Pretty appealing to me. Oh and for about 1/5 the price. Not for you? That’s cool no harm done.

futility? More like hobby saver!

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