Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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@jf47t I suggest you leave it where it stands. MG's gone and you shouldn't have to shoulder the heavy lift he left behind. Let the thread die; it is better than continuing the back and forth.
Regards
Al 
It appears some of the trolls have graduated to stalker. This is a fine how do you do. Ask not for whom the troll bellows.

@jf47t Jay, Without being in the least bit rude, may I say to you, "Grow Up and Smell the Roses". There is a world out there, out from the shadow of Michael, no matter what he says.

That world, is full of well meaning people of all Nationalities, backgrounds, ages, ethnicity, beliefs and worth who have "FUN" experimenting with their Stereo equipment to the point where they are happy and satisfied with results.

There are thousands of topics on the wwweb that cover all aspects of HiFi manipulation. people, like me, prof, glupson, mapman, geoffkait, all commune on these forums to learn and to communally partake in information sharing. (We might exclude Geoff then....). ;0

What is not in keeping with the above is posts that call to task people's belief that they are walking and talking, being called fakes. is it any wonder there was a small but vocal uprising by people who DO walk and talk. Jay, there are as many ways to talk as there are languages, each have their own way of walking. I for one would never call them to task and call anyone of them fakes.

I am sorry for you Jay. You need to learn to think for yourself, come out of the shadow you seem to be under.


18 pages, we weren't ever going to get a real dialogue going.  It was doomed from the OP on.  I don't know if it will ever sink in that MG and his followers can "walk" all they want with their tuning hobby, and that's cool, but there's no need to do it at the expense of telling others they only "talk."  Which unfortunately was the direction MG took from the OP onward.

It surely is time to let this thread pass on.

It's ok jf47t, no need to go any further. Enjoy your Tuning, I'm sure you hear some great stuff.   Take care.