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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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jf47t
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Hindu Love Gods

A part of rock history. HLG is one of those recordings that was done during the making of another recording "Sentimental Hygiene" (Warren Zevon). Hindu recorded these covers and never intended to release the songs but the session was so good it had to be. I had to look this up because this cd is killer and MG told me it was done with REM members. The soundstage sounds to be about 20’ x 20’ x 10’(H). The front to back goes about 3’ behind my head and there’s great side to side presence. The drums are bold and full of midrange with the cymbals splashing across the whole stage when they hit. The top end is very warm sounding and there are no holes in the stage anywhere from the beginning of this recording all the way till the end. Kick drum is perfect and together with the snare it gives off a punchy rib cage kick and also warmth. Nothing is coming from the speakers (an MG trait) and there’s that MG headphone feel to the sound. Michael loves his nearfield. I did want to mention something about the kick drum. Michael has it tuned in to almost sounding like a big floor tom. I need to go back and listen more because there’s some creative drum stuff going on later in the session where the bottom drops way down and shakes the whole room. Nice and beautiful and very deep. All the instruments are clear and in their own spaces and any pans are very obvious. An easy to follow soundstage. Garage sounding? I don’t know. It does have that in the room with you sound if that’s what you mean but I would say more of a small bar type of sound. It’s a recording one can rock to.

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kosst_amojan
All this crazy stuff Mike’s done, and absolutely no evidence at all it does anything except make for excellent fire and shock hazards. The hazards part is the thing I’m surprised everybody ignores.

Well, let’s see, how many fires 🔥 were there in the US last year? A bunch, right? I’m going out on a limb and say one million house fires. How many of those fires 🔥 were caused by audiophiles who were Tuning? Zero. So, the risk of fires 🔥 associated with Tuning actually appears to be ridiculously low. No wonder everyone ignores Chicken Little. 🐥
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glupson
To be honest, I am still trying to figure out where "talking" ends and "walking" starts. Not to mention what is wrong with "talking".

Oh, brother! Now, you’ve really got me thinking, is this guy pretending to be a little slow or what? It’s a good act. I can’t tell. I just did a Google search of Talker and would you believe it, there was a picture of glupson?
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geoffkait,


Could you elaborate on when talking stops and walking starts, in relation to this thread? I have asked that a time or two ago, but have not yielded any answer. Does "walking" mean you build your own things or "walking" is also buying already finished products from someone else and then hearing whatever you are listening for?


In fact, there are a few questions that I had asked for which you replied that you were still thinking about the response. Are you pretending to be a little slow or what? It does not bother me, we both seem to be slow then, but I have not forgotten.


"Talker" or not, I make my own sentences. Can you beat that?

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