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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
7,842 posts
 
theaudiotweak,

You have nailed it. I mean, nailed wood.
theaudiotweak
2,797 posts
 
Was the nail made of a steel alloy or something more musically satisfying like a brass screw. Was the screw head then painted over and filled in with Total Contact. My choice. Tom
glupson
7,842 posts
 
It was definitely a Total Contact. Nail contacted wood. Brass screw is usually quite musical, but improperly hit nail is even better. Makes you sing high notes very very loud.
jf47t
116 posts
 

"So with different structures which vary in content by the hour and the day you will go mad wishing for what you had previous. When was that wonderful adjustment made to each block..you forgot didn’t you."

Tom, again like with Robert, it’s unfortunate you have had problems tuning. On TuneLand we read about the different listeners’ learning curves and how they end up with their choices of tuning tools from very simple to tune all the way to extremely advanced tuning.

Also if I may many who have read this thread have been visiting TuneLand looking at the pictures asked for here, they’re not hard to find. MG respects that the line between information and promotion is a fine one but MG also realizes how the trolling has worked on this and other threads and is not about crossing that line. On this thread you see one side asking for pictures or information and shortly after you see the trolling trap set that MG is using this thread to promote. It’s a common internet trolling tactic being used by some of the posters here. TuneLand the forum supplies the answers to any of these questions and has since 2004. You can look on the archives for some of the show & tell or visit the newer forum that goes back to 2008 but still has archived pictures on it.

prof
3,473 posts
 

It’s interesting that MG and his follower can continually accuse people of being "trolls" in this thread. They use the term "troll" to avoid interacting with any challenging viewpoint. They just toss the term around as an insult in an evasive manner and never show how it is actually warranted. Let alone the accusation of "faking" that MANY here have been asking them to clarify or back up, and which they continually evade.

Yet, when I break down exactly why MG’s posts here actually fit the classic definition of trolling...e.g. the ^^^^above type of behaviour....THAT post gets removed.

Mods, would you like to explain this apparent double standard, please? 

Who else but Michael Green and his follower have actually explicitly expressed pleasure, glee, at the way this thread has turned out?  That it turned out as MG planned.  "Genius" his follower calls it.   Does that not tell you anything?


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