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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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Why would they ever? Shame on them.
jf47t
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"Besides, doesn’t MG use springs?"

Yes. Michael is an equal opportunity tuner. With the rising number of listeners moving from higher to lower mass systems the original audiopoint that MG introduced in the early 90's worked well with some of the amps of that time, but by the time the mid 90's were here the brass "zing" was becoming obvious as products changed their component materials. This is when MG changed the configuration of the cone and the way the outer surface was done. Along with this MG designed and or used other MTD's (mechanical transfer devices) to work better with the newer age of components. If you look at TuneLand you can see the evolution of components and the need for several different types of mechanical grounding methods and tools.

As the changes in materials being used for listening continued to evolve so did the need for different transfer devices. This meant other materials needed to be used along with brass and of course so did the shapes used.

Yesterday MG showed me what happens to the sound as he introduced an Audiopoint MTD Harmonic Spring AAB-R and LTR Block into the system. Pretty remarkable differences. MG is about the variables and took me through 3 recordings and showed me how different they are as well. After we took a break Michael then showed me what happens as a transformer is tuned in relationship to the capacitors in a CDP and Amp. That was a revelation. He explained that only CD Players that use very small and low mass transformers should be used any where near the chips and bigger transformers in CDPs corrupt the signal. MG is giving the system time to settle and after is going to show me what happens when brass is put close to the chips and transformers.

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tomcy6
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Geoff,  Where do you place the Brilliant Pebbles, Super Intelligent Chip, Codename Turquoise and other products of yours in your new system?

Did you phone yourself for the Teleportation Tweak and did it make a dramatic difference if you did?
glupson
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jf47t,

"...what happens when brass is put close to the chips and transformers."
Could you later tell us how close was it when, and if, it started making any difference?
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geoffkait
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tomcy6
Geoff, Where do you place the Brilliant Pebbles, Super Intelligent Chip, Codename Turquoise and other products of yours in your new system?

>>>>There is no place in the system now for Brillisnt Pebbles. Mostly Brilliant Pebbles is for room acoustics. In the old days the original Intelligent Chip was placed on TOP of the CD Player. Then a CD was played for two seconds to treat the CD. My SUPER Intelligent Chip is designed to be placed inside the player where the reaction to the laser light is more intense. For a portable CD player the chip is attached to the inside top the case. For an ordinary player it’s usually placed on the Mini CD tray just below the CD tray. I do not use the chip myself since they are somewhat labor intensive. The chip is intelligent because it knows when a CD has already been treated. It is not smart enough to know when it’s run out of hits, but I know. 😀

Codename Turquoise covers the top and bottom areas inside the case.

I also use Flying Saucers for Windows, Flying Saucers for Unused wall outlets, Blue Meanies for walls, Green Meanie for ceilings, Quantum Temple Bell, Morphic Message Lables (I go through many pages of labels per month). And of course the Clever Little Clock, the more the better. One customer of mine has about twenty now. Many customers have more than one.

I use a boatload of other things that are not my products, like Mpingo disc, Graphene TC and DH Cones, but many are not in scope of this question. They fall under the category of Unspeakable. Also cryogenics I still do after all these years. I also just dug out my Liquid Resolution CD treatment I had stashed away. Heh heh

tomcy6
Did you phone yourself for the Teleportation Tweak and did it make a dramatic difference if you did?

>>>Every time I do the Teleportation Tweak for a customer I also treat my own system as as consequence. The TT is very dramatic but mostly for the customer. There is only so much juice you can squeeze out of an orange. 🍊 When a customer gets a new phone he usually calls back for another TT. Or if he has more than one phone. When the TT first started it was for myself only. Then it occurred to be it might work long distance. Then the technique started to evolve.
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