Where do I go from here?


    • Marantz AV-7005, pre/pro (with balanced outputs and 1.4a HDMI);  Rotel RMB-1565, surrounds and center;  Rotel RKB-650, mains w/ bi-amping;  Martin Logan Motion 20, mains;  Martin Logan Motion 8 Center; Klipsch SW-10, subKEF iQ-5, surroundsKlipsch RS-41 II, surround backs
  • Alright y'all, here is your chance to help out the newbie with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks in advance for what you may offer.  I have the above system, which is sounding really nice, with many of the qualities I've been looking for, but the upgraditis is creeping in, (again, sigh) and I am wondering which of the components may represent the weak link to my music listening nirvana?  As some my recognize, I recently added the Motion 20's to the lineup, much to my satisfaction, but where might I go from here.  I'm thinking my better half may let me get away with another $1500-2000 before I'm sleeping with the system and not her, LOL.  Since I'm more interested in the musicality of the system, listening to a mix of female vocal, rock, and dipping into the ambient realm now and then, I'm considering the replacement of the Rotel RKD-650 with something in a nice stereo configuration, possibly 3-channel to pick up the center. I'm really looking to broaden and deepen the soundstage as much as anything.  What do you think?
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    Update:I talked to a dealer about the pre section of the Marantz and his comment was 'Marantz has gone a long way in making their pre amp section invisible', or something like that.  That, and the consideration that I must keep the whole system as user friendly as possible for my wife, I went with the Parasound Halo A21 with the remote 12v trigger.  Under $2k with shipping so it feels like I got a deal at least.  The Classe` CA-201 was in the running right up until the end, great reviews, awesome piece, but the remote trigger was weird.  An RJ-12 plug from the looks of it.  Not certain if it was a momentary switch or required a constant 12v.  The Bryston 3B-SST was also in the running, but is has some odd terminal posts.  (What is it with these Canadians, eh?)  No offense meant, no hate mail please ;-)
    aalenik- It is a 'spare' motorcycle, lol.  I have a decent power conditioner that I bought from a local music store that was closing it's doors.  Right around $300 MSRP if I recall.  Not the best, but much better than a power strip ;-)
    Crap. I saw this review for the Hegel H160 from Enjoy the Music and meant to post but just didn’t get around to it. It happened to compare the H160 to the A21 so thought it would be particularly interesting for this thread. I just flat out disagree with the dealer about the preamp section of the Marantz being "invisible." At the price point they can’t possibly use better quality parts or fully shield the stereo signal from the rest of the electronic hoopla that a prepro creates. It’s shortcomings are invisible only until you compare it to a good stereo pre and then, as it did for me, the differences tend to be anything but invisible. As I mentioned before and as many of us here have learned through personal experience, it is very unwise to discount the importance a preamp plays in good 2-channel playback. Here’s part of the review:

    "Pass, Naim, Roksan or Hegel all deserve excellent reputations for adding, not detracting, from the music. Every time I hear a massive or even low power Pass amplifier, I am impressed with how much more detail, texture, soundstage and tone it provides. Raw, flat and boring accuracy can wear you out. The key is adding the proper neutral balance to the notes to give them more definition, shape, texture and tone. Good amplifiers do this. The Hegel does it. The Hegel is a really good amplifier. Rated at 0.2% Total Harmonic Distortion, the Parasound Halo A21 amplifier has 400 watts RMS into a 4 Ohm load! Up against the Halo on the Focal loudspeakers, the Hegel confirmed it was a different unit with a more European sound.
    Spyro Gyra is a 1970s American jazz fusion band. The band’s name is a misspelling of Spirogyra, a genus of green algae, which the sax-playing leader wrote about in college. Their music combines jazz with elements of R&B, funk and pop music. The band sold over 10 million copies of more than 30 albums. On the Spanish samba "Impressions Of Madrid," the Hegel is smooth, with relaxed confidence, reminding me of Yves Bernard André’s French YBA amplifiers. There is a polite patience to the casual edge of notes. Less Spanish snappiness, but major differences between the two amplifiers are quite hard to discern. There was no readily attributable color or feel to the amplifier.
    Yet the Halo is a very different sounding amplifier compared to the Hegel. It is harder, sharper, brighter, thinner, and lighter, with more of the solid-state feel. The Halo has very good dimensionality, but it is missing the warm fullness of the Hegel along the entire frequency response spectrum. The Hegel has clear, high treble on horns and rattle. On Tom Scott’s "Them Changes," for example, horns on the Hegel sound organic – subtle, like tubes – yet also imminently and immediately listenable."

    I thought the sonic characteristics of the Hegel were more inline with what you were looking for, which is why I was so strongly recommending it -- along with getting a better preamp in the bargain. And FWIW, even my wife -- who is a total Luddite with these things -- had no problem using the HT pass through in our system.  I sincerely hope the A21 works out, but if it’s not to your liking do you have a return option? Sorry I was so late with this.

    "Close Enough to the Very Best"

    The Absolute Sound magazine awarded the Halo A21 its "Editors' Choice" recommendation for 2012. "Though not the last word in solid-state amplification, the A21 comes close enough to the very best, at such an affordable price…"

    "Its luxurious appearance is more than skin deep. Parasound’s A21 dispensed truly sumptuous sound," notes England's Hi-Fi News magazine for November 2011. "Demonstrating the control and grip of the Bryston and Anthem but with the velvety midband richness of the ATC, the Parasound’s ability to resolve detail, while remaining composed and easy on the ear, proved the equal of my ‘reference’ Levinson amplifier."

    I am certainly not going to experience any buyer's remorse on this.  Sorry, soix.  I will need something with a nice warm sound for the ribbon tweeters of the ML Motion 20's.  But hey, everyone has their opinion, and I have seen that they are quite varied, especially on this forum.  Should I need a pre/pro upgrade in the future, well, that seems to be part of what I enjoy as well ;-)  And BTW, John Curl, so,,,,,,,,,,

    yes, everyone has their opinion and that review that soix copy/pasted sounds very much like a magazine review.  I actually completely disagree with it, if you are using Hegel H160 as a sample.  Maybe if he was using the older generation Hegels because they were smoother and softer sounding.  With H160 generation, they revised the preamp section and the sound is actually quite bright and exacting.  While the Parasound A21 is definitely has a good fast attack, I would not call it brighter or thinner at all!! 

    Like we've said, everyone has their own opinions on what an amplifier or speaker should sound like.

    Again, I appreciate all the input and opinions that were/are offered.  The ear is a very intangible asset, and each has their own taste and level of sonic interpretation.  I only wish (again) that I had a place to audition the gear without a $500 plane ticket.  Even then, the likelihood that any store will have my exact setup for an a/b comparison is highly unlikely so one is still open to the possibility of making a choice which is regrettable.  As I said, tho, I am convinced that either would be a huge step forward in my music adventure.  And now, I can start the search for the better pre amp or speaker, or power conditioner, or room treatment/placement, yada, yada.