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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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geoffkait
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It seems to me real audiophiles, shall we call them the doers or the walkers, are oft viewed by non audiophiles and anti tweakers, you know, the idlers or the talkers, as kind of kooky or fringe or weird, or even cultish. Nothing new there. Have you ever watched an audiophile perform a ritualistic treatment of a CD before each play? I used to think that was a little obsessive. 😬

Reading glupson’s story of his visit is reminiscent of watching some teetering eighth graders looking through their first Glamour magazine. Hard to believe there are such virgins. 👶 Why, it’s almost like he thinks this is the invasion of the body snatchers.

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glupson
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jf47t,

"On TuneLand you can read start to finish system tuning."

Is there any way you could point out where? I tried the link below and under it "more info". The only thing that it did is showed me pictures of a building, including what looks like a dressing/make up room. Is there any other place I should look for info about how to do the tuning? Not the theory, the actual work.

https://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/about-tuning

A few of us have pointed out on a few occasions, the website really needs some reworking.
glupson
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jf47t,

https://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/roomtune-rtd2

Slide show on above page (I think it is slide 9) has decibel with capital D, but abbreviation as db. It would be more correctly dB and decibel. Not a biggie, but just so you know.


jf47t
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No big rush glupson take your time. TuneLand has tons of empirical walking posted all over it's pages. As you guys settled down and start reading some of the different listeners threads you'll be able to see how folks went from finding out about tuning to implementing tuning themselves. You'll see how many different tools Michael Green has designed and his background that got him into the designing.

Michael has been asked to make a series of videos so I would think at that time the site will be updated some. Websites never stop being updated that's the magic of the internet.

glupson
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jf47t,

While you are at that, welcome page, Bandroom Room Tuning, click for more info. The link does not work.

"...how folks went from finding out about tuning..."
They must have worked very hard. It is not that easy to find it. More like a scavenger hunt. Eventually, you can pick up bits and pieces from the side of the road, but road signs are missing big time.

The magic of the Internet is also that it is easy to leave if something is too complicated. It takes about four clicks to get anywhere in that universe.

Edit: Actually, it takes exactly 19. From Bandroom Room Tuning (when it works) to donations for extinct rhinoceros.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/any-two-pages-on-the-web-are-connected-by-19-clicks-or...
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