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We are also talking a more wife friendly room (I too like a cleaner looking room now days). Another problem never mentioned is when the subs have drivers pointing into the listening space or ports the sidebands as these have a negative impact on imaging and sound stage. Again, this is something that is never discussed, but very real."
ctsooner,
Sorry, I went on so long on my last post but forgot to address your final points concerning the WAF and imaging:
WAF- If you view my system photos you'll notice it still maintains a clean look in my 23 x16 ft. room that my wife and I also enjoy. The 2 subs along the front 16 ft. wall are hidden from view by each of my large 6 x 2 ft.panel mains. Each sub along the 23 ft. long side walls are a bit more visible but, because the 10" drivers face the wall,all that's visible is the nicely finished wood on the sides, top and backof each sub. My wife says these look like art gallery pedestals and she usually has a vase of fresh flowers on one or both.
Imaging and sound stage illusion- If you care to read about this I discussed it thoroughly in my post on 6/13 responding to bo1972, The gist is that, IMO, both are only enhanced with the Audio Kinesis 4 sub configuration that is rated at -3db @ 20-100 Hz.
The Vandersteen Sub Nine is rated identically as -3db @ 20-100 Hz. I know the Audio Kinesis Swarm/Debra, and I believe the Vandy, are designed to be -3db to compensate for the typical bass room gain of +3db.
Tim
ctsooner,
Sorry, I went on so long on my last post but forgot to address your final points concerning the WAF and imaging:
WAF- If you view my system photos you'll notice it still maintains a clean look in my 23 x16 ft. room that my wife and I also enjoy. The 2 subs along the front 16 ft. wall are hidden from view by each of my large 6 x 2 ft.panel mains. Each sub along the 23 ft. long side walls are a bit more visible but, because the 10" drivers face the wall,all that's visible is the nicely finished wood on the sides, top and backof each sub. My wife says these look like art gallery pedestals and she usually has a vase of fresh flowers on one or both.
Imaging and sound stage illusion- If you care to read about this I discussed it thoroughly in my post on 6/13 responding to bo1972, The gist is that, IMO, both are only enhanced with the Audio Kinesis 4 sub configuration that is rated at -3db @ 20-100 Hz.
The Vandersteen Sub Nine is rated identically as -3db @ 20-100 Hz. I know the Audio Kinesis Swarm/Debra, and I believe the Vandy, are designed to be -3db to compensate for the typical bass room gain of +3db.
Tim