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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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mitch2
3,973 posts
 
@jf47t 
"MG and Geoff learn by actually doing,"  "MG and Geoff disagree on some of the absolutes but have found a way to allow isolation and mechanical transfer to live under the same roof," " Like with MG and Geoff we on this thread..."
and further,
" We all have two ears you know (quoting Geoff from the fish post)...." there are no rights and wrongs as Geoff has tried to tell you,"
ah, but wait...
"Geoff, I don’t want to speak for you (after several posts speaking for Geoff)"
and then, just when I thought I understood,
@geoffkait 
"Robert and Tom," " Tommy and Bobby..."
I always thought Geoff was an independent but it seems he has joined a team, or acquired a fan club.  I apparently have not been keeping up, are Robert and Tom an item, or are we picking sides for dodge ball?  Now that would be fun!  
glupson
7,842 posts
 
mitch2

Bring your favorite Kevlar suit for that game.
jf47t
116 posts
 

"The variable is the weather and how it changes by the hour and the day. Wood is affected by the weather, and like the weather wood of any type changes in composition and content."

Tom, you don't listen in a controlled environment? Again I'm a bit surprised. Most listeners I know, and I know Michael deals with, the first thing they do is control the listening environment. It's very strange to me that you think letting the room run wild without controlling it's condition is acceptable.

You say you and Robert both have worked in recording? Room conditioning is priority one so the instruments and equipment work consistently. Sorry but again it raises questions for me about your methods. Michael is meticulous about room conditioning, I'm surprised your not. Is there a reason why you choose not to condition your rooms?

jf47t
116 posts
 

Glupson

"Forums are, by their nature, talking. They are inevitably a written form of communication which is also "talking"."

This is actually incorrect. Forums usually use words, drawings and pictures to illustrate points. Since you and others asked to be shown answers from Michael he was courteous enough to start a thread dedicated to this topic. You can see Michael is happy to communicate in the manor you and the others requested. Michael uses TuneLand, Skype, Periscope live streaming and YouTube (more videos coming this fall supposedly) as well the Get Tuned Gain visits audio shows to meet and greet with folks in person.

Glupson this is the topic of audio. Using only words as you can see and have participated in is limiting at best. The very OP has been twisted and turned by words, but now this topic has an opportunity to become more useful. As Michael has pointed out from the very beginning this thread will prove the OP to be on target. And it certainly has. You yourself being one of the main characters. This thread serves as a good example for others as they converse with you in the future just as it will with all of us.

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