Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Unfortunately, none of the people from the picture on Tuneland and that article that jf47t shared seems to be associated with SUNY-Oneonta anymore. That limits my original idea to stop by and walk the walk where brave once walked. I would really like to hear what it is all about although I would do it without disassembling anyone’s expensive equipment or waking up the whole fire station.
"He could actually feel the keys get lighter or heavier to strike as I was tuning."
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I can only say that his fingers are much more sensitive than mine. I cannot say that I did a full Michael Green attack on my room, but I did move a few pillows, a chair, and a few more reflective items around. I guess I need new, more sensitive, fingers. Hey, I just "walked". I did not get far, though.
glupson,

prof,

Do not get into it
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It’s no problem.  I know exactly what I’m getting in to with the occasional interaction with geoff.  This was just a little opportunity to remind folks that our neighbouhood dog that barks at everyone is toothless ;-)
prof,

You are funny, but so correct. On the other hand, some of the responses cross even the most liberal limits. I mean, calling for people to drop dead is hardly a behavior anyone should tolerate.
prof,

Although two people participated it may not be a double-blinded study, but it has as much weight as anything on this thread. I declare the possibility that piano keys change hardness with changing acoustics of the room, incorrect and likely a placebo effect. I suspect that some level of hypnosis was involved in that original finding. In 2018, it is not true. Done.