How much do I need to spend to get a preamp that sounds better than no preamp?


Hello all.
I'm using an Audible Illusions L1 preamp and I think my system sounds better when I remove it from the signal path. Oppo BD105 directly to SMC Audio DNA1 Gold power amp. I have read that there is level of quality you need to hit before there will be an improvement in sound. I can't seem to find what that level is. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
honashagen
Cost for adding a proper preamp? depends demands of the system.

1.  A low-end system with no PreAmp would benefit from a $300-500 preamp. (eg. Schitt Lyr 2, tubed)
2.  Mid-end system: $500-1500 (several on the market)
3.  Hi end: $1500 on up, the skies the limit, but $1500-3000 should suffice for many systems that are not the crazy expensive hi end stuff.
No preamp is still a preamp. It’s just built into the device.  

Generally a good stand alone preamp fed by the line level output of your source will be better than an amp fed directly by the volume controlled output of your source.

FWIW, devices that only include line level outputs are less complicated, have better interior layouts, and sound better than “do it all” devices that include direct volume control capability.  

It’s really pretty much about the two methods of volume control.  My ET7 and my SP20 pretty much whoop the volume controls that are available to me using any of my $2k level sources.  I’m better off feeding undegraded line level into either SP20 or ET7.  Same was true with ET3SE or PV8 or PV11.  
Generally a good stand alone preamp fed by the line level output of your source will be better than an amp fed directly by the volume controlled output of your source.

Sorry but you have this wrong, volume controls in sources (cdp’s and dac’s) don’t feed the amp, they have output buffers after their volume control stage, and in many cases this buffer is the same or even better at driving an amp with lower output impedance and better current than some preamps outputs can especially tube preamps.

Cheers George
I am using simple terms to keep from obfuscating the issue in play.  

I’m happy to agree to disagree.  

But experience tells me that, as seems to be true of most forum dwellers, I should wait with bated breath for you to have the last word.  

Go go for it.