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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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uberwaltz,

Welcome back. Stop from time to time, you need a constant in your life, too. It is actually fun here. Like a James Bond movie. You know it makes no sense, you know how it will end and what will happen along the way, but there is some comfort in that. And the characters are as shady as anywhere else.
glupson
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I am surely no peer for this topic of capacitors. I also have no idea when the topic got switched. I do know that most of the equipment  comes covered and that it is designed by people who actually think about it, and not just participate in Internet forums. Sort of, walkers made it.

Michael Green's findings are as believable as any out there, mine included. They are his perception at that moment, easily added by a bias or two. Mine are my perception at that moment, minus hair over the ears and a bias or two. In short, mine are more valid. That is how it goes.
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geoffkait
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glupson
Those 70,000 satisfied customers don’t care if there are a few obstreperous and argumentative dudes out there who did not get good results.

Other few (7 000 000 000) are laughing.

>>>>Which brings us to definitions no. 2 and no. 3 for Troll:

2. You can almost always ID a troll by observing that he responds to any post that mentions him, even when the post he responds to demands no answer or when nothing can be gained by responding. Just as surely as he will respond to this one. Ho, hum....

3. Another defining characteristic of the hot to trot Troll is his almost complete lack of humor, as demonstrated in glupson’s last posts. Well, really nearly all of them. I mean, come on, people. If you’re going to make wisecracks at least try to make them funny. 😩
glupson
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Who is trying to be funny here? There is actually about 7 000 000 000 people on Earth who never think of capacitors while discussing an entirely different topic.

I came to this thread knowing nothing about the Internet lingo of "trolls". Along the way, I learned that the surest way to be the "troll" is to use word "troll" often.

Happy trolling.
glupson
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2. You can almost always ID a troll by observing that he responds to any post that mentions him, even when the post he responds to demands no answer or when nothing can be gained by responding.
Among normal people, it is called "conversation".
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