Gosh, jitter, you’re so copiously smart. I am bathing in your copious logic.
Talk but not walk?
Hi Guys
This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
thanks, be polite
Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net
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For the on-lookers "An Internet troll is someone who joins an online discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, it is quickly evident that their sole purpose is to upset everyone. They will lie, exaggerate, defame and vituperate just to create a response and derail a thread. Some researchers from Canada sought to find out what type of person would do this and why. Their study, published in the September 2014 issue of Personality and Individual Differences, found that cybertrolling was an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism. Researchers conducted two online studies of 1,200 people. They gave personality tests to each one and surveyed their Internet commenting behavior. They were looking for evidence of what is termed the “Dark Tetrad” of personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy and sadism. What they found was that Dark Tetrad scores were highest among people who said their favorite activity was trolling. The study authors wrote that the Dark Tetrad scores were off the charts for Internet trolls and “… the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists.” But it’s just as likely the annoying troll on your favorite site is simply mentally ill. When you respond, you’re just feeding his psychopathy. The best advice is, if you see one, don’t feed him." Prof & Glupson I truly do feel bad for you but the OP does call you out. Your responses to this has been well documented on this thread. |
jf47t, What’s it like not to be able to engage in honest conversation? What’s it like to want to evade honest, reasonable questions so badly, that all you can do is repeat calling someone names over, and over and over? Have you not given any thought as to the look you are giving your company here? Of course, after implying yet again I and others are trolls for asking questions, instead of showing where those questions were answered (doesn’t exist here) you’ve again produced another empty evasive post simply calling people names. And of course you can’t, and haven’t once, pointed to anything I’ve written that was a "lie" or that was untrue, or unreasonable to ask, or that I’ve "defamed" anyone etc. You are just throwing garbage at this forum, and hoping it sticks. Please...stick to Tuneland for that kind of stuff. You already have a thread going there where you can badly mischaracterize anyone you want and yell Troll! Troll! Troll! without anyone around to push back by pointing to reality. There’s got to be something in you recognizing what you are doing. But, hey, since you can’t help yourself, stay tuned for another look at your troll description again....;-) |
Hi Al Well many reasonable people do and have disagreed with prof and glupson as you can read for yourself. And to some extent some others who have ducked in and out to expressed their spin on what is a simple OP. If you truly felt this was a "useless thread" I doubt you would have taken the time to post. With internet trolling in audio forums being so prevalent the question needs and has needed to be raised (why fake it?). Most HEA folks have left the scene a few years back in disgust that these forums have become infested with internet trolls and people who talk but don't walk or this thread wouldn't have continued for so long without signs of cooling down. |
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