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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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prof
3,473 posts
 
@jf47t


The question put to you earlier jf47t was:

If the Tuneland forum is so wonderful and such a font of interaction and information, and you seem to be visiting there so often as to tell us what's been posted over the last 24 hours:  Why don’t you seem to participate in the Tuneland forum? Don’t you have anything to ask...or to offer there?

Especially: why aren’t you showing up in the Tuneland thread about this thread? You sure like discussing tuning and us poor trolls here; why not there, where you have a thread devoted to us that you continually link to?


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geoffkait
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Uh, most likely he uses a different moniker over there. You know, so guys like yourself and the dudes from Star Sound can’t go stalk him there. Just a hunch.
jf47t
116 posts
 
Your hunch is correct Geoff. We (MG, I and the other TuneLand members) have no desire for angry stalkers showing up on our front porches as has been implied on this thread. There are no secrets here just the OP.
prof
3,473 posts
 
jf47t,

So you are telling us you use a different screen name on Tuneland?

Ok.

Can you link to a thread in which you actually participate?

The "angry stalkers" bit is an obvious excuse. Nobody is "showing up at your door."  Personally, this thread is the only one I’ve interacted with MG in, despite that he’s started and participated in other Agon threads. And I’ve no interest in interacting with him even in other Agon threads, much less his own forum where he wouldn’t allow people he calls "angry trolls" in the first place. Notice that you specifically keep linking to your Tuneland thread IN the very thread you call filled with angry trolls...but none of those so-called "trolls" are showing up to try and barge in Tuneland threads? We don’t care to.  Because...we aren’t in fact angry at all, despite your paranoia. Absolutely nothing in this thread has angered me at all. I can’t imagine what MG or you could actually say that would be worth getting angry about. You mistake skepticism about some of your claims for anger - that’s your own paranoia talking, not reality. I have in fact wished Michael well, and success, more than once in this very thread. In fact, here I go again:  I wish Michael nothing but success in his life and business.  I'm sure he is a really nice guy to hang around.  And some of his products are intriguing - as I've said numerous times, I'd enjoy hearing his tuned speakers in a tuned room.    I’m just pointing out some sub-par forum behavior when I see it, and simply asking questions, and pointing out they aren’t being answered. I wouldn’t have had to keep pointing this out, if you/Michael didn’t keep suggesting they have been answered....when they have not.  In no way do I have to hate someone, or be "angry" in order to to notice they may be doing great stuff somewhere else...but are behaving problematically in at least one thread.


On the tuneland thread that you relentlessly link to, there are posts by only one other member other than MG. And having encountered that same poster before (who uses the same screen name elsewhere) it’s obviously not you. So why haven’t you participated in the very Tuneland thread you want to keep showing us, and that you are obviously monitoring?


And if you participate in Tuneland...why are you suddenly acting so shy and secretive, when you have continually wanted to promote it for people to check out?


Michael G has no problem linking to his threads there. Grannyring doesn’t seem to have any problem telling us about his post there. And you certainly aren’t shy about people seeing your posts here! What would be the difference in seeing any of your posts in the Tuneland forum you want everyone to visit???? So...how about pointing to anywhere you’ve participated in Tuneland.


After all, you don’t want to leave the impression here that you just poofed into existence in this one lone thread....do you? ;-)








jf47t
116 posts
 
Not biting prof read the OP. And yes you have not only been asked to calm down by other posters but have also had several of your posts deleted by the mods for being "abusive toward other members". Sorry prof but again this thread gave you the opportunity to be real and you made another choice.
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