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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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jf47t
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Not biting prof read the OP. And yes you have not only been asked to calm down by other posters but have also had several of your posts deleted by the mods for being "abusive toward other members". Sorry prof but again this thread gave you the opportunity to be real and you made another choice.
prof
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Of course you aren’t biting.


If you wish to leave the audience speculating as to why not....your choice.


You probably won’t take my advice...but perhaps re-visit this thread some day and consider what you may have done better. My first post...and many afterward, were sincere attempts to simply help you not shoot yourself in the foot. I’m sorry you are so primed to see anyone not immediately embracing everything you say as "trolls" but that only exacerbates the problem.

Again..not angry at all. But I’m certainly puzzled why any manufacturer would behave as you have here. It just seems so unnecessary.

And even though your actions puzzle me, I still very honestly wish you success. I’m happy for any success you have, and for any "Tuner" who enjoys "The Hobby."



prof
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jf47t,

You may want to pass on the last section of that post to MG in case he missed it.  It's probably my last post directed to him :)

And btw, my interest in Tuneland doesn’t go beyond being utterly bombarded by links to it in this thread. We kept getting invited; so we looked. I wish the Tuneland forum success, but I don’t have any interest in visiting it again. I’m glad it serves other folks, but I didn’t see anything that would compel me to stick around there. (Though again, if there were an MG tuned room/tuned speaker set up at a show I’d certainly enjoy hearing it. I don’t doubt something interesting may be going on).


I hope MG’s other Agon threads are more successful than this one.

Cheers,

theaudiotweak
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Geoff

We the dudes here at Star Sound have a woman on staff who has added to our science of materials and shapes as they relate to actual resonance transfer.

She received a Bachelor of Science (BS) in Math and Geology from Portland State University and a Masters of Engineering (ME) in Geophysics from Colorado School of Mines. She is a Registered Professional Engineer (PE) in Colorado and a Registered Geologist (PG) in Wyoming. For over 30 years she interpreted seismic data (mostly compressional waves - acoustic waves if they are in air) as it pertains to exploring for hydrocarbons. She has authored and presented 14 papers on different aspects of interpretation and understanding compressional waves to the Society of Exploration Geophysicists (SEG) International meetings, European Association of Exploration Geophysicists (EAEG) meetings, Australian Association of Exploration Geophysicists (ASEG) meetings, SEG Summer Research Workshop and to SEG chapter meetings. Many of these papers were invited and some were awarded best paper. In addition, she taught a three-day course on seismic interpretation requested by the SEG.  She has also worked as a Geotechnical Engineer in the housing industry. She also has a patent on a device that removes interference from string instruments making them more responsive and easier to play. Tom

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geoffkait
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I see. Nothing at all to do with audio systems and seismic vibration. Oh, I almost forgot! You dudes don’t think isolation is possible. 😳 
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