Talk but not walk?
Hi Guys
This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
thanks, be polite
Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net
trelja @geoffkait "You can not (rpt not) tell anything about the sound from a picture." The statement is false. Forget about taking it literally and the use of the word "any" which opens up a hole big enough to send an aircraft carrier through, a picture is worth a million words. Not to repeat @grannyring but within a second or three, the room, how the system and everything else is sited in it, and the components (provided one has previously experienced them) themselves should let the viewer understand the sound with a pretty high degree of accuracy. Provide a few more specifics such as cabling, cartridge, isolation devices, and tweaks one may not make out from the photo, and the focus becomes all the more clear. >>>>Whatever you say, pal. |
amg56 And finally... You are happy with your system, when you are happy with it. There is no need or compulsion to make it studio like, or above and beyond what is acceptable to you, the owner and listener. Then forget the walking, sit and enjoy what you have. >>>The trouble with the contented cow 🐮 approach to audio is that even though folks may have talked themselves into a state of bliss over their system, once they hear a really good system, assuming they ever leave the house, most of them would get off their Barco Loungers and get to work. Why draw imaginary lines in the sand? Lots of people like their systems. It doesn’t mean they sound good. There are the talkers, the walkers, now we have the sitters. |
Hi Guys & Gals It’s been a month since my last post on this thread, been busy, but when I have had time I have stopped by this thread and other threads here. I wasn’t necessarily feeling the need to post on this thread again cause the OP speaks for itself, but I do feel inclined to give another example of "walking". This one is pretty impressive to me and serves as a good example of getting down to business. http://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/impressive-audiogon-great-job Audiogon could have given a million reasons why they made the changes they did, but when they saw the need and desire of the members they stepped up their efforts to supply not only a newer version but also a comfort zone for the way it was. Playing back music is the same way. Absolutely nothing wrong with staying put. At the same time having the choice to be able to explore the variables gives the hobby that much more to enjoy. Michael Green |
