Liquid Amps

@labtec  Couldn't agree more about the modified McCormack amps.  I recently had a new driver board, wiring and jacks installed by Steve and Co. The sonic performance far exceeds the price for the upgrade.

Regarding your comments about listening to vinyl, the phono stage makes a tremendous difference.  My 25 year old Aragon 47k was pretty much spent as it introduced a persistent hum that I found objectionable.  After seeing how many really inexpensive phono amps are on the market, I thought I would give a Sutherland KC Vibe a shot.  It is a new design from Ron Sutherland and based on his dedication over the years to phono stages, I thought I would give it a shot.

I gave it a few weeks of persistent use to break in and it just was incapable of opening up and revealing the soundstage that I knew was on my recordings. I would call it's performance in my system, "matter of fact".  The notes were there but no subtlety, no ebb and flow and again a greatly restricted soundscape.

I had a very productive conversation with Josh at MusicDirect.  After discussing my system and what I perceived as the Vibe's shortcomings, he suggested the Luxman E-250.  I then researched Luxman and found few reviews, but what I did learn about the design seemed in concert with my listening preferences.

Upon receiving the Luxman for a trial, I also purchased the Cardas burn-in LP with isolated bands of pink noise to facilitate burn-in of the new gear.  The Luxman is a wonderful sounding piece.  A big ball of sound can be heard around the speakers.  Great tight bass with kick drum slam.  Incredibly clean treble with wonderful detail.  Now, this is a $2300 unit, so it should sound better that the $895 KC Vibe.

Lesson learned.  Don't insert a component into your system that is not up to the quality of the rest of your gear.

Boniojo (sp) is now dead his last gasp ampzilla  had power supply issues if I recalll. Is the Co still around?  Serviceability is always a factor when dropping that kind of change on an amp.

It’s like searching for something you can’t have.  Have you looked up the  meaning of Audiophile?   I’ve come to believe we really are all afflicted.   Easy solution: get  a kt150 driven tube amplifier and enjoy the liquid.

@hifiman5 
Slightly off-topic but wanted to chime in on your observations on the Sutherland KC Vibe. Being such a new product there were precious few reviews, but I too bought a unit based on Ron’s pedigree. 

In my my somewhat modest system, I started off enjoying the sound — beautiful, forgiving and slightly polite. It was only in comparison with other (more expensive) units that the Vibe was revealed to be somewhat closed-in and rounded off, leading to the initial perception of “warmth” and lack of nuance/detail. 

I put this down to synergy and went with another option instead, but am glad to read corroboration of my experience....perhaps it is the nature of the Vibe after all. Guessing it is a conscious choice of the designer to hide flaws of more modest systems, which speaks to your point of system matching. 

All this being said...I don’t think the BIGGEST problem with systems not sounding "liquid" is the fault of higher order distortion in SS amps. I don’t think Atmasphere made the claim that it’s the "biggest" problem either, so we may not even disagree per se. I just want to point out that IME the biggest problem with systems not sounding "liquid" rests with the speakers and source first...not the amp.

If the speaker is more revealing, it will totally play the distortion that makes many solid state amps sound bright and harsh.
This distortion is not a lot as far as test instruments are concerned, but to our ears it is, which is why its so easily heard (and why tubes and tube amps are still around decades on after being declared ’obsolete’; if they were really obsolete they would have ceased production long ago).

The real problem we are dealing with is that the audio industry (like many other industries) does not like to deal with inconvenient truths. In this case it is the fact that our ears, while seemingly inaccurate and insensitive to so may aspects of audio, are more sensitive than the best test equipment when it comes to detecting higher ordered harmonics.
BTW this is extremely easy to prove with very simple test equipment!
Anyway, IMO the industry should put a ’weighting’ (like we do on noise) on harmonic distortion. Less weighting on lower orders, higher weighting on higher orders (particularly the 7th) so when you look at a spec sheet, you can finally tell what the amp will sound like! Right now, the spec sheet has marginal usefulness (unless you keep a bird or hamster) since it really doesn’t tell you how the amp sounds. And ’liquidness’ is all about how the amp sounds.
Some solid state designers get this- notably John Curl and Nelson Pass. Both will freely acknowledge that tubes still rule the roost as far as liquid or smooth sound is concerned. I think Nelson has done more work in this area, and the amp I mentioned is easily the smoothest solid state amp made.
BTW I think the McCormick is a very good amp too, but the little VFET amp Nelson came up with totally smokes it in the smoothness/liquid category, without sacrificing detail in any way. Of course, tubes do that too :)

Lets not forget Vandersteen's liquid cooled amps