First impression: Herron VTPH-2A phono preamp


I got my VTPH-2A this morning and it's up and running. After about five hours of spinning vinyl, I'm pretty sure I've wet myself, MULTIPLE TIMES! I've primarily played vinyl that I've had for decades, music that I thought I was intimately familiar with. I was wrong. There's nuance I never knew existed. Everything about the VTPH-2A is "right". The bass is tight, vocals superb, instruments have places, etc.  All that I've listened to sounds new and fresh and the most masterfully recorded vinyl sounds live. What I've read about on this forum concerning the VTPH-2A (pretty much all stellar) is true. I've had five different phono preamps and nothing can compete with this, NOTHING. It's a bad ass and definitely a keeper.
professorsvsu
Thank you, Professor.

George, there are no hiccups in my calculations. Note that I referred to not being able to drive the power amp to full power, in some and perhaps many circumstances. I did not say that users in those circumstances would necessarily be unable to achieve a volume level that is satisfactory to them.

A quick search I did for specs on the ATI 3002 seemed to turn up specs on the ATI 3000 instead. But presuming the specs for the two model numbers are the same the 1.8 volt sensitivity spec you cited is correct, and the gain of the amp from its unbalanced input is 34 db, which is probably about 8 db higher than average for a power amp.

The gain provided by the LOMC input of SCM’s VTPH-1MC+ is 66 db. That corresponds to a voltage multiplication of 1995x. That would raise a 0.24 mv cartridge output to 1995 x 0.24 = 479 mv, far less than the 1.8 volts that is necessary to drive the amp to its maximum power capability. To be precise, about 11.5 db less than what is necessary, which means that his amp that is rated at 300 watts into 8 ohms would only be putting out about 21 watts into 8 ohms when the cartridge is providing its rated output and the passive preamp’s volume control is set at max!

But let’s assume that high volume dynamic peaks of some recordings may cause the cartridge output to be in the area of 3x the rating, corresponding to about 10 db more than the cartridge’s output under the standard test conditions. Those peaks would result in an output from the phono stage of 479 mv x 3 = 1.44 volts, which would still be significantly less than what is required to drive the amp to full power.

And, again, the power amp would only see voltages as high as those numbers when the volume control of the passive preamp is at max!!

IMO, in most circumstances if the front end of a system cannot drive a power amp to full power the system has not been configured in an optimal manner.

Best regards,
-- Al
@ professorsvsu
You`re a good sport ! Thanks for that, but if I may, I`d like to add this too:

I actually had to run a splitter off the back of the tube buffer because it only has one output.
So, one goes to my subwoofer amp and the other goes to the main amp.
It may be wrong technically (I don`t know) but it seems to work.
IMO, in most circumstances if the front end of a system cannot drive a power amp to full power the system has not been configured in an optimal manner.
I hope you don’t mean it’s going to be more "dynamic" if it’s plenty loud enough for the user, but can’t clip the amplifier in theoretical terms, as some shonk’s here on Audiogon have tried to make out

Cheers George
I actually had to run a splitter off the back of the tube buffer because it only has one output.
So, one goes to my subwoofer amp and the other goes to the main amp.
It may be wrong technically (I don`t know) but it seems to work.

Whether or not that would have a sonic downside would depend on the output impedance of the buffer, the input impedance of the sub, and the input impedance of the main amp. And if either or both pairs of cables that are involved are especially long it may also depend on the the length and the capacitance per unit length of the particular cables.

These things can all be calculated if the relevant parameters are known.

Best regards,
-- Al
I hope you don’t mean it’s going to be more dynamic if it’s plenty loud enough, but can’t clip the amplifier in theoretical terms, as some shonks here have tried to make out

What I primarily mean is that the user will have paid for amplifier power that cannot be utilized. And it would have been better to direct the $ that went toward watts that can’t be utilized toward something else in the system. Perhaps toward a lower powered but higher quality amplifier, if the lower power capability is in fact adequate.

Best regards,
-- Al