Power Cords Snake Oil ??


Having been a long time audiophile living with countless high end compnents I have to wonder about the theory and practicality of high end power cords.

I have yet to hear the difference a power cord makes. Ive owned, synergistic, Shunyata, BMI and cardas. I in no way can detect any sonic signature or change. Give me a pair of interconnects and I imeadiately notice a difference somewhere in the sonic spectrum. Not the PC though. I have accomplished 4 blind tests with my friends. 3 out of the 4 they did not know their cord was replaced. All 4 were using a stock factory supplied cord. Each of the 4 tests were done on different components. Amp, CDP, Preamp & dac.

My electrical backround tells me that provided you supply the component with its required voltage bet 110vac or 220/240vac its happy. Now, change the incoming frequency from 60hz to say 53hz and watch how quickly your soundstage collapses.! This is often the case during the summer months when home air conditioners are in use and the utility company power output is taxed to the max. A really good power conditioner should however take care of the frequency fluctuations. But 110vac is still 110vac regardless of the conductor it passes through as long as its remains 110vac when it reaches the intended circuit. Does your 8k amp or preamp know the difference of the path the voltage took to reach it ? Many an audiophile will use a dedicated 20amp circut for their equipment.That is a good idea as voltage & frequency fluctuations will occur in the home circuit to to other loads on the main breaker panel but again, A power cord simply is the means of transporting the voltage from the wall to the component. IF there is a clean 110vac @ 60hz at the wall socket, no matter what the medium is to go from the socket to the component, it will still be 110vac @60hz.

Could somebody expand on this a bit more. I just dont understand it. ??
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That’s because I wasn’t talking to you and nobody else asked, but ...
Actually, you were talking to me. It’s how forums work. When you post here, anybody can read what you wrote. If you want to exclude participants, use a P.M. or an email. I’m surprised you don’t understand that.

Have I participated in blind A/B comparison studies? No ...
Amazing! Yet this lack of first-hand experience doesn’t stop you from claiming that you know the outcome of every double-blind power cord listening test that has ever been conducted, or ever will be conducted!
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... The only thing that qualifies as "dogma" around here is the notion/statement that "my power cable sounds better than yours because I say so!" which gets repeated over and over and over ...
I’ve been reading these forums for years and I don’t recall anyone ever saying that. Ever. Yet, you claim it "gets repeated over and over and over." Please provide a few examples to substantiate your claim. Given the frequency of repetition that you profess, it should be easy for you to comply. Feel free to use Google, if that helps.

.....not to mention "I don’t believe in science!"
Amazing! Again, I don’t recall anyone ever saying that here. Ever. Yet, you claim it "gets repeated over and over and over." Please provide a few examples to substantiate your claim.
ostensible_constituency"I would wager everything that I own and my kid’s college savings that you could not distinguish the difference between two power cables of equivalent length, same AWG (even "effective AWG") with ALL other variables in the given system controlled - more than 50% of the time."

How much money in $USD are you talking about in this offer of yours if it is of sufficent amount to make it work my time I will consider it please post the specific amount. I must note as a matter of personal transparency that previous such offers have been revealed to be fraudulent efforts to obtain personal information.
It’s entirely possible to double blind test something that’s 100% provable to anyone and come out with a 50% chance of certainty.

The test itself introduces many levels of uncertainty even before it starts. That’s why I’ve always referred to it as a cheap parlor trick. Comparing it to medicinal tests is a red herring, since all the subjects have the ailment in a medical study and not all the subjects in a listening test will have the same hearing acuity. It’s a different kettle of fish.

As to the mind and how it perceives betterment from a medication is not analogous to how someone can hear an improvement. The sick person will remain sick though one can hope enough to skew a momentary improvement, only to succumb to the ailment and get worse. The person who hears better will always hear better but can be tricked, in the short term and upon an extended listening period with their own, familiar system, can tell the difference. I’d even go so far as to say that one who is intimately familiar with their own system can tell if something is off within a shorter period of time. They may not be able to put their finger on it but they’ll know. I say this from my own experience.

In fact, there are those on these forums who’ve done better than average on double blind tests already and for some reason, are overlooked.

The fault that lies in unsighted testing is the simple fact that you’re removing an essential, sensory aspect to what completes an observation. Run your finger over a map and speak the name of the area you’re trying to remember and you’ll drastically increase the ability to remember it, and recognize it, later on. It’s how we’re designed; it’s in our DNA. Eliminate or curtail that process that we’re accustomed to using and you interject a form of chaos into our ability to discern. It’s no wonder how one can take a certainty and reduce it to simple chance by tying one’s arm (or a sense) behind one’s back and then say, ’lets see how well you do it now."

All the best,
Nonoise
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