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Power Cords Snake Oil ??

Having been a long time audiophile living with countless high end compnents I have to wonder about the theory and practicality of high end power cords.

I have yet to hear the difference a power cord makes. Ive owned, synergistic, Shunyata, BMI and cardas. I in no way can detect any sonic signature or change. Give me a pair of interconnects and I imeadiately notice a difference somewhere in the sonic spectrum. Not the PC though. I have accomplished 4 blind tests with my friends. 3 out of the 4 they did not know their cord was replaced. All 4 were using a stock factory supplied cord. Each of the 4 tests were done on different components. Amp, CDP, Preamp & dac.

My electrical backround tells me that provided you supply the component with its required voltage bet 110vac or 220/240vac its happy. Now, change the incoming frequency from 60hz to say 53hz and watch how quickly your soundstage collapses.! This is often the case during the summer months when home air conditioners are in use and the utility company power output is taxed to the max. A really good power conditioner should however take care of the frequency fluctuations. But 110vac is still 110vac regardless of the conductor it passes through as long as its remains 110vac when it reaches the intended circuit. Does your 8k amp or preamp know the difference of the path the voltage took to reach it ? Many an audiophile will use a dedicated 20amp circut for their equipment.That is a good idea as voltage & frequency fluctuations will occur in the home circuit to to other loads on the main breaker panel but again, A power cord simply is the means of transporting the voltage from the wall to the component. IF there is a clean 110vac @ 60hz at the wall socket, no matter what the medium is to go from the socket to the component, it will still be 110vac @60hz.

Could somebody expand on this a bit more. I just dont understand it. ??
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I've been commenting in good faith here ...

Actually no, you haven't at all. You've attempted to engage contributors here in wagering. The moderators deleted those posts. You've also made claims about the group, but then failed to substantiate them. For example:

    ... The only thing that qualifies as "dogma" around here is the notion/statement that "my power cable sounds better than yours because I say so!" which gets repeated over and over and over ... .....not to mention "I don’t believe in science!

 And you've complained when moderators enforce the rules here:
And yet you still report my posts to the moderators for removal rather than let them stand on their own to demonstrate "third or fourth grade" writing. Riiiiiiight.
And then there's your "colorful" and imaginative language:
If the answer is NO - then kindly STHU about this mostly-imaginary "bet" that your lizard brain is wrapped around the axle on and let’s proceed with the debate on power cables regarding their own merits or lack thereof.
And you've manufactured other claims, such as this:
One of your fellow snake oil believers said that my study proving power cables don’t make a difference was too old - 14 years.
So no, you haven't even remotely shown good faith. Have a Nice Day.
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Actually no, you haven’t at all. You’ve attempted to engage contributors here in wagering. The moderators deleted those posts. You’ve also made claims about the group, but then failed to substantiate them. For example:

... The only thing that qualifies as "dogma" around here is the notion/statement that "my power cable sounds better than yours because I say so!" which gets repeated over and over and over ... .....not to mention "I don’t believe in science!

No. Again for those who lack adequate reading comprehension skills, I said that I would take part in a "wager" IF there was an acceptably scientific study done on the power cable debate and I stand by that. I never proposed any specific wager, and in fact, another user put an actual $$ figure out there - I believe it was $25K. Yet you don’t have any problem with that. Hmmm....can you say.....CONFLICTED? or.....HYPOCRISY? or.....POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK?

Complain about my language all you want but that has no bearing on the good faith of my argument.

And you’ve manufactured other claims, such as this:
One of your fellow snake oil believers said that my study proving power cables don’t make a difference was too old - 14 years.
You think I manufactured that claim? You didn’t see the post where someone questioned the veracity or legitimacy of the link I provided because it was 14 years ago? I’m sorry if you’re also hard of seeing, but it’s there and the burden of proof is not on me to prove it, as anyone with any kind of computing device can simply go back through the comments on this thread to verify that indeed it’s there. In fact here it is, by @cleeds (i.e. YOU):

Back on the subject, I’m glad you asked:

https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html
So your claim about not being able to distinguish between power cables power cables in a blind test is based on someone else’s 14-year-old test?

Why do you feel the need to lie and obfuscate, then report my posts to moderators when you don't have a valid or effective counter argument? 

Once again, simply saying things over and over doesn’t make them true. I’m the one attempting to engage in good faith debate here, you and yours are doing the exact opposite and you’re apparently willing to lie or overlook things that actually happened in order to make your "point"....which is????

What IS your point here? 


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>>>>Busy day at Subway?

Hmm I wonder why the mods let you get away with posting inflammatory and offensive comments like that where you degrade people who work at subway, but they delete posts that call you out for it? 

Let's see how long your post stays up so that we all can plainly observe your derision and condescension for people who work in fast food. 
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It may mean all sorts of things.

No - it was meant to insult anyone who works in fast food as though they have no valid opinion on anything related to audio. Stop dissembling and trying to distract. It's pathetic. It was also in theme with two other recent comments by different participants which implied that they were ultra-successful businessmen and that they could afford audio tweaks and cables that the rest of us can't. That's totally false. And offensive - especially considering the other things that moderators have removed (or which you and yours have flagged for removal). It's hypocrisy to downplay that comment and then flag mine for removal. 

 Yeah it is slightly insulting on the face of it.

Nice admission and attempt to downplay it. 


The ’odd" parts are the extended responses. all of which add endless baggage to the simple statement, none of which is justified in any way!

Provide examples or your allegations have no merit.  "ALL" the extended responses to the Subway post? There was ONE and it was deleted by a mod so I mentioned it again. You need to re-assess your grasp on reality. 

So i suggest stop trying to expand the statement into the downtrodden workers of the World, and all the rest.

That's projection or just intentional misinterpretation. Nobody mentioned "the world" or "workers" - rather I called out that he was being intentionally condescending and engaging in ad hominem in order to discredit the opinion of someone with whom he disagreed, by explicitly accusing me of working at Subway. 

 Proof most audiophiles have zero sense of humor. And it SHOWS. The fact is the added responses are desperately trying to make something out of nothing. Like if we blow this all out of proportion, maybe somebody on "The Insider" TV show will notice it?


Your responses all exhibit this exact tendency. Something out of nothing, zero humor, etc. So what do you think you're accomplishing here?  Two can easily play at this little game of yours "Elizabeth"....
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