Is Speaker design evolution stagnant


Based on what I read from speaker manufacturers, many use the same drivers but apply different crossover philosophies to achieve a particular sound.

My simplistic understanding is that while limiting the range of high or low signals , the remaining signal is corrupted ( phase inversions, roll off, etc.. ).

With today’s technology, why aren’t more speaker manufacturers using active crossovers to be connected after the preamp and sending exact spectrum signals separately to be amplified to each driver.  That would Eliminate all electronics inside the speaker cabinet except the drivers. Each driver gets fed only the signal that it works best at. No out of phase, half phase, quarter phase issues, no phase angle issues. 100% of the power goes to each driver without limiters to scale it back.  I think Bryston Model T Actives is designed this way ( don’t work for them and not pushing any product). Am I looking at it too simply? Do electronic crossover play havoc on signals the way inductors and capacitors do?

Some speaker manufacturers have gone half way with built in woofer amps ( Vaughn?)

Of course you would need a 3 channel amp for each side ( based on W/M/T config) or some variable of mono amps, whatever.



jacksky
Jack,

There are many ways to get into it, but in my experience it has been very rewarding to go active and take the learning curve. I echo what Erik suggested about diyaudio (multi-way forum).

I started my journey 4-5 years ago. I had a great preamp (Lamm LL2 deluxe) and loved it, but thought a system optimized to do one thing very well would be better, for a given amount spent, than a system attempting to do several sources as good as possible. I bought a multichannel DAC, took the Lamm out, built an "audiophile" computer to be my only front end, and implemented active crossovers between my subs and mains. The tube amp was happy not attempting to reproduce below 80Hz, and so were the B&W 804 speakers. Sound improved.
Then I purchased "class-D" amp kits from Hypex, assembled, and now have those 400W driving each B&W bass section. So I removed the passive crossover and have the Hypex directly connected to the woofers, running from 70 to 350Hz. For now I still have my McIntosh tube amp driving the midrange and tweeter section, where the passive xo between them is still in place. So it's a 3-way active.

In the process I learnt a lot in many aspects. I am now working on a pair of DIY 4-ways, fully active, to replace the B&W. I really love tubes, and DIY active allows to design to maximize the benefit. For example I want to use SET for the mid and treble sections and SETs are constant voltage sources so high and constant impedance speaker is a real benefit for them...so that narrows it down for me pretty good.

I belive conditions have matured to go into this direction. Digital signal processing is enabling stuff unheard of some years ago. Low power Class A amps aren't very expensive these days (SETs or Nelson Pass' First Watt, for example), class D amps of high power and good enough performance for bass are cheap these days, professional speaker drivers are pretty good and a lot cheaper than exotic audiophile stuff (which I reckon I also like). A Rythimk subwoofer kit is cheap. You can build a 3 or 4-way system that will sound super. There is also a lot to be gained with good box (or lack of) design practices - things that tend to be too labor intensive for manufacturers to adopt).

It's been a rewarding experience for me. The big trade off is the time I've spent, and will continue to spend. But that's part of the fun for me.
Loudspeaker design evolution most certainly stagnated.

Precious little has moved forward since Y2K.  We've seen some improvement in drivers, but mostly in cabinetry, as that is where the talents of today's builders lie.  Most of the reason is the designers who either understood the art and science or possessed the intellect toward that have left us.  Look to the designs of the previous two generations, you find radically more innovation, and the work of these folks still shines
Trelja,

look at: ilumnia.be , and you see somethings new. Last year The World-première in Eindhoven,The Netherlands. Made in Belgium. Such a sound,you never heard it before. I never heard such a open, full of detail, holographic speaker. And look to the design! Lukas

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@kosst_amojan   absolute no necessary spend huge amount the money
  if you use 3 way electronic crossover. You can use 2 amps for bass
and midbass   non expensive class D or class AB , but for mids and high absolutely necessary use high end amps, and basically is much more
less money because you need  the high end amps much more less
power then use one high end amp  for all 3 drivers ,like convention
3 way speakers with passive crossover design. Actually you can use
2  big power class D and one low power SAT tube amp.  But is very
hard and almost impossible made right balance .  You have to use measuring microphone and computer program like RTA