Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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elizabeth,

No need to read 32 pages to find out what High-End Audio means. I asked a few times and never got an answer. I concluded it is a construct to impress and nothing more than that.

Everybody is "walking". And whole idea about "walking" and "not talking" is just, generously called, non-sense.

Will the last one turn the light off here, please?

Yes, I will most certainly flag your post kosst. I recommend that anyone who sees clear abuse of others, be it me or anyone else should be flagged and removed. If you were on TuneLand you would get a warning to be civil like what is expected of any grown person. If you continued you would be banned, which I have a feeling you have been banned before.

Secondly, if you feel the mods are not doing their job, step up to the plate and start your own forum, and set your own rules. Continuingly pouting about you not being able to spread discord is an odd look for a hobby about enjoying music.

Thirdly, I don’t see the hobby of being an audiophile shrinking at all. What we do see shrinking is your particular part of the hobby. You can go about casting doubt on tweaks all you wish but the reality is listeners are and have been "doing" the hobby and exploring every part great or small in an effort to make their system sound the way they want since the beginning of this great hobby. Why that would make you so angry is the mystery here. Like I have said, you probably respond the way you do because that is the type of person you are. As well others happy about the hobby tend to share the joys of tuning their system in.

As others here have said many times over and continue to invite you to join in, we (the hobby) welcome your positive contributions and those of anyone who has actually done and have something to share based on the doing.

Michael Green

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