Best Loudspeakers for Rich Timbre?


I realise that the music industry seems to care less and less about timbre, see
https://youtu.be/oVME_l4IwII

But for me, without timbre music reproduction can be compared to food which lacks flavour or a modern movie with washed out colours. Occasionally interesting, but rarely engaging.

So my question is, what are your loudspeaker candidates if you are looking for a 'Technicolor' sound?

I know many use tube amps solely for this aim, but perhaps they are a subject deserving an entirely separate discussion.
cd318

Thank you, cd318.

Like you, I am "inclined to believe that a great speaker should still sound good in any room." My standard example is a grand piano: Sure it will sound best in a good recital hall, but it won’t suck in your kitchen unless you play it too loud. Imo this is because the piano’s reflections are spectrally correct, so their contributions are almost always beneficial (though they can overwhelm in your kitchen if you play too loud).

You also said, "How much life/ reflected sound you want in a room will always be a matter of personal choice." I am currently working on a design that allows adjustments to the reverberant field independent of the first-arrival sound.

Here are some of the general principles I try to follow, as far as the reverberant field and its effect on timbre:

1. The reverberant field’s spectral balance should be a good match for the first-arrival sound. It will have a little bit less high frequency energy because of absorption, but not by as much as is typically caused by beaming. When there is a significant spectral discrepancy between the first-arrival sound and the ensuing reflections, those reflections do not enhance the timbre very much. They can even cause listening fatigue.

2. Early reflections are undesirable, but late reflections are beneficial, provided they are spectrally correct. In general reflections arriving within 10 milliseconds of the direct sound tend to degrade clarity (though they can still enrich the timbre), and in general reflections arriving later than 10 milliseconds enrich the timbre without degrading the clarity. In fact they can actually improve the clarity by giving the ear multiple "looks" at complex sounds (assuming the reflections are spectrally correct).

3. There can be either too much or too little energy in the reverberant field. Too much and clarity and imaging are degraded; too little and timbre is degraded.

For some anecdotal evidence of the above, consider Maggies. Maggies have a spectrally-correct backwave, and when you position them far enough out into the room (five feet gives about 10 milliseconds of delay on that backwave reflection), that’s when the magic happens. Imo Maggies might generate a little bit more reverberant energy than is absolutely ideal, but if you sit pretty close to them the ratio of direct to reflected energy is increased, and clarity is improved.

@cd318, if you will be at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in early October, please stop by Room 3002 in the Tower. We’re going to try to make the room seem bigger than it actually is by manipulating the reverberant field. We think timbre will also benefit along the way.

Duke

You tell me Audiotroy and Inna.  I agree with prof that Blue Jean cables are musically adequate (not for me).  They outperform many HEA cables costing $5K, $10, $15/m  However, that's because of the defects in those cables; in particular, I dislike High Fidelity cables with their huge magnets in-line with the signal.  However, Monster 300 original ICs are just as cheap and besides rolled off at the frequency extremes, quite musical.  My friend built phono cables 20+ years ago using fine shielded silver conductors with similar to Blue Jean cables, extremely low capacitance.  The result is an excellent phono cable still used by another friend who can't afford my upscale phono cables from the same manufacturer.  I paid $375/m for my phono cables, which is exorbitant to some of you posters, but for the labor involved (see GroverHuffman.com), a real bargain.  I've got a $16K analog front end (table/arm/cartridge/isolation), so spending $375 to complement the sound was a wise choice.

I had another friend purchase Blue Jean cables for long speaker and IC runs (20' and 25') because he wanted to build an inexpensive music system.  He bought a Yamaha CR620, Dynaco 35s, Project table, Pioneer DV-05 DVD/CD player and has a decent sounding system.  Not high end.  But could it be lower mid-fi for under $1K ?
I vote for Legacy Focus (originals or 20/20) for the best bang for the buck with the "warm" sound of analog music using Kevlar mid-ranges.  Cheaper, more efficient and easier to drive (current hungry though) than so many new speakers.  Deep bass, wide soundstage.  What's not to like from a guy who had Acoustat X, 2&2s and Martin Logan Monolith IIIs for over 20 years prior.
audiokinesis,


3. There can be either too much or too little energy in the reverberant field. Too much and clarity and imaging are degraded; too little and timbre is degraded.


I’m sure it depend on how much you mean by "too much" in each case, but generally speaking I find the opposite.


The more reflected room sound the brighter "clearer" and more present the sound. But the cost is a sort of reflected/hash signature that starts to overlay the sound, homogenizing instrumental timbre. The more room reflections are taken out, the more I hear the subtleties of individual instrumental timbre in a recording.

This is certainly the case in my own room where I have good control over some of the liveness of the room (via being able to pull curtains across reflective area, or open them up, use some diffusors I have, or not, etc).

This has been true in virtually every case I’ve ever encountered (it’s my habit when auditioning speakers to investigate the direct-to-reverberant sound quality via taking different positions to listen - further for more room, closer for more direct sound. In every case I’ve ever known, the observations I mention have applied.


It just strikes me as strange that your comment *seems* to point the arrows the other way.