Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio
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Air molecules DO NOT move away from the source! There is NO net movement. The wave propagates through the air and displaced molecules return (they are bouncing around like mad) to their previous net positions once the wave has passed.

Where you guys come up with this crap is beyond me. Please stop the pseudo science and learn some physics once in awhile.

And Michael: Please define what you mean by "empirical testing" because, frankly, my BS detector is off the charts with that term. There is no such thing as "empirical testing," that's an OXYMORON; there is empirical evidence that is derived from direct and indirect observation and experience. Is that what you're asking here?
Steve
You are asking questions that have been presented to the OP since the start of this thread and truly no good defining answers that I have seen
Good luck!

Steve, sorry but your post makes me giggle, and once again we have two good examples of why the OP was made. Steve followed up by uber of course. No Biggie though, this thread has amazed me and many others a few times.

Steve, I'm quite sure your BS detector went off cause that's the type of person you are. My BS detector goes off often here as well, but I'm a big enough boy not to get in a huff about it. Life is too short, music is too fun.

If you are confused about empirical research, testing and evidence I'm sure you can return to your wiki pages and study a little more.

Of course uber hasn't seen any answers because that's not his agenda.

Pretty simple stuff here folks!

MG