Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio

Ok, so I want to be clear here. What your asking for is for me to show you even more credits? You do realize that this promotes me more not less.

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t249-a-look-at-tunable-systems#4490

I guess I can post more of this on TuneLand and then send links to the pages.

To the members emailing, I know LOL!

Michael Green

http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/


"Michael: After I last posted here I checked out your website to learn what this tuning stuff is all about. I see you have several approaches to optimizing the triad of audio elements. So we are alike in that I have sought my own version of "tuning" through the years, but my approach is very different than yours."

Hi Steve

Feel free to join us on the TuneLand forum. Cool to see you using Pierre's products!

Michael Green

Hi kosst, what’s your friends name? I’ll be happy to look him up!

Hi bdp, so your using Art’s products, cool!


Use to be fun going up against ASC and RPG back in the 90’s. Video magazine did a showdown between us. RoomTune came out on top, cheers all around. But that’s not the point I’m making or why I'm here. I’m saying that "tuning" is where the hobby is at. Doesn’t matter to me what your walking with or who, what matters is, this is a hobby of exploration. The more you dig the more you find.

Michael Green

I am so confused.

I see what look to be products on the site, not services. In fact, I dont really see anything offered for sale, either. I’m used to selling products and services of value. Without being able to convey that effectively to customers one doesn’t have a business model. Clearly, I’m a few cards short of a full deck.

OK, I’ll go away now and quietly sit in the corner.
"He’s not posting here to "have some fun", he’s here to create interest in his services, his business."
Do not give Michael Green too much of a hard time for advertising this way. He is doing it relatively softly and, even if he came here just to honestly discuss some topic, he could be blamed for using the forum for advertising just based on the fact he does have a business in similar field.

There is another thread out there where OP is a novice looking for advice and explanations. Like zero experience looking to start. He is not even sure what integrated amplifier means. There comes a store owner telling him what he sells, where he is located, and so on. And nobody said a word,. To make it more interesting, the store-owner suggests that the potential customer commits the tax fraud ("you can save on your state tax with us"). Nobody says a word. At the same time, when Michael Green talks about his ideas, no matter how silly they may seem to someone, he gets called on it. And others end up much more blatantly advertising on this particular thread here and it is all fine.

I am not trying to defend Michael Green, I just think he is not really pushing his wares as obnoxiously as others are.