Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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@stevecham---You don’t understand. You ask MG to explain what he does, but he’s not gonna give that away---that’s his product! He is no longer a hi-fi retailer selling currently available commercial products (except his own), he sells his "tuning" service. He comes on Forums saying "Let’s have some fun!", but this is his business. He’s not posting here to "have some fun", he’s here to create interest in his services, his business.

MG’s original commercial products in the 1990’s were the Room Tunes. Have you ever seen one, or even better looked inside or taken one apart? It’s a sheet of fiberglass insulation covered in grill cloth. Big Deal! A real acoustical engineer, Art Noxon of Acoustic Science Corporation, produces real, sophisticated acoustical products. They are found in recording studios and high performance hi-fi rooms all over the world. I’ve never seen a Room Tune in any studio I’ve been in, nor any high performance home music system. Everyone gave their Room Tunes away years ago; there are far better products available.

I’m all for optimizing the sound of one’s system and room with tweaks. But "tuning" your CD player, receiver (really? A receiver?!), or speakers, and changing the "tuning" for different recordings? That’s a sure way to madness!

Ok, so I want to be clear here. What your asking for is for me to show you even more credits? You do realize that this promotes me more not less.

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t249-a-look-at-tunable-systems#4490

I guess I can post more of this on TuneLand and then send links to the pages.

To the members emailing, I know LOL!

Michael Green

http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/


"Michael: After I last posted here I checked out your website to learn what this tuning stuff is all about. I see you have several approaches to optimizing the triad of audio elements. So we are alike in that I have sought my own version of "tuning" through the years, but my approach is very different than yours."

Hi Steve

Feel free to join us on the TuneLand forum. Cool to see you using Pierre's products!

Michael Green

Hi kosst, what’s your friends name? I’ll be happy to look him up!

Hi bdp, so your using Art’s products, cool!


Use to be fun going up against ASC and RPG back in the 90’s. Video magazine did a showdown between us. RoomTune came out on top, cheers all around. But that’s not the point I’m making or why I'm here. I’m saying that "tuning" is where the hobby is at. Doesn’t matter to me what your walking with or who, what matters is, this is a hobby of exploration. The more you dig the more you find.

Michael Green