Solid State vs. Tubes - What if Transistors came first?


What do you guys think?

If transistors came first, and then decades later tubes were invented, would we have any tube amps we would call high end?

Wouldn’t they all fail to reach the height of performance and transparency set by transistor amps?

Best,

E

P.S. I love Conrad Johnson. I'm just wondering how  much of our arguments have to do with timing. 
erik_squires
andy2 - Possibly, but as a drummer I appreciate crystal clarity up top for cymbals etc...  Also, the excitement and tension between the notes is a big thing for me, and a very quiet noise floor is required.  Ideally I should have 2 systems I guess?  Anyway, it’s all fun and sometimes mood dependent.  As for the Haze, BAD SS could have some as well I guess, but not with well designed stuff.  FYI, I am a big proponent of balanced signal paths, which in my experience sounds so much more Live than single ended.  I want nothing between me and the source sonically.  The gestalt should be that Only air separates me from the musicians.  Sometimes that may be too much for some listeners.
Wikipedia has this to say about KT88s and their wattage;
"A KT88 push-pull pair in class AB1 fixed bias is capable of 100 watts of output with 2.5% total harmonic distortion or up to about 50W at low distortion in hi-fi applications."
Just because a tube distorts less obviously doesn't mean it's clean. That said, as I understand it you can get a clean 60 watts out of them. I only worked with tubes in video and announcing systems, I have never worked in tube amplification design, so my knowledge is finite. That's why I went to Don Sachs and Roy Mottram, I have learned a little bit more about them, but I am far from an expert.
Andy2, I don't know what current SS amplifiers are using, but older amps used standard rectifiers, most never used snubber circuits to deal with the fact that diodes ring. Replacing them with soft recovery rectifiers like IXYS bridge rectifiers clears up a lot of strange issues with midrange and high frequency noise.
I don't believe that many, if any non electronic instruments go much over 15 or 16K, so I don't think that good tubes are a hindrance with regards to treble. You have found one amp you like. I'd guess that some Levinson amps, as well as some Spectral, and I hear JC1's and Nelson Pass's amps are top performers. The point being that with such a finite selection of really good SS amps, it ought to be no surprise that there aren't a lot of good sounding tube amps and preamps.
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