Walter, it was I who stated I felt Road To Ruin was the album on which The Ramones fulfilled their promise, loomis stating that he felt by that time they had become a Pop band. It is my opinion that they had always been a Pop band, just as are Weezer. The proof that they may also have viewed themselves that way is in their decision to have Phil Spector produce their End Of The Century album. I didn't care for that decision any more than I did The Beatles decision to do the same.