Krell Duo 300 compared to Evo 302e or 402e?
I am considering going to Krell Evo402e from Pass Labs X350.5. Is this Krell a good amp. I thought it might be a great amp but reading this folks call it harsh - I don't need a real warm amp like the pass but don't want a harsh one with. The Krell is more money. It is for Magico S5 speakers, Bricasti M1SE Dac, Simaudio Evo P-8 pre and Kubala-Sosna Emotion cable loom. Would love any info on the Krell Evo402e |
In my opinion and defining terms (for purposes of comparison only) , your Pass Labs X350 has a very neutral sound. It is definitely high resolution, but very neutral and very controlled. Best I can explain it is that the Pass "Class AB" amps have a "very controlled sound" - in that the dynamics seem to be limited or "held in" in some way. Don't get me wrong - this amp sounds wonderful to a lot of people, but it does not have a lot of slam/dynamics in the mids and midbass. I would not really call the Pass X350 a "warm" amp. I think it is rather "neutral". It's definitely not warm like a Parasound amp would be, or an older NAD amp. The Pass Labs full Class A "XA" series amps are not really that warm either in my opinion. They have a thicker midrange, but still pretty good resolution. However, it's definitely a different sound --- The Krell Evo402e is a conventional "Class AB" amp that is very high resolution and has a lot of dynamics, resolution, attack and excitement. This is definitely NOT a warm sounding amp. My friend has one and I have heard it directly. I would say the Evo is an awsome amp, but due to its very high resolution character, it can easily become out of control if you have something like metal dome tweeters or silver elements in your cabling. This is where many can say this amp sounds harsh (but it's really not the amp sounding harsh - it's that the amp is very revealing and the synergy with silver is causing the sound to be too fast/bright). So, you need to pay attention when matching components with this amp. Stay to pure copper and gold-plated or rhodium-plated connectors for all wiring (speaker cable / interconnects / power cords). The perceived "harshness" is something you'll have to deal with when choosing any amp that is not "warm". The Classe "Class AB" amps are another example of this. --- The newer Krell amps (Solo / Duo / Chorus) are all full biased "Class A" (even though they have a sliding bias circuit). These have the typical very liquidy and smoothed over "Class A" sound, maybe even lush sounding (but not as lush as some other amps). The liquidy and smooth character of these amps is definitely more forgiving for "harshness in a system" and still has good dynamics and resolution, but the sound is also less "natural" and less "real" with regard to the instruments and vocals. You would have hear this character to know what I mean. ---- In my opinion, the Krell EVO and Classe "Class AB" amps are the most real sounding of the above, but also need careful matching with other components and wiring. |
auxinput Thank you very much - this is outstanding information and just the type of information I was hoping for! Thanks so much !!! Thats funny you mentioned Classe. These are the two amps I am considering. Krell Evo402e Classe CT-M600 mono blocks With the Krell, the guy will take my Pass on trade. I actually would love some more dynamic's and a higher revealing amp and my fear is I go too far the other way. I will list my gear below and provide a link to my Virtual System and would advice! I guess something I need to worry about is the metal tweeter's in my Magico's. I think I have the perfect cables though. I have Kubala-Sosna Emotion's which is a neutral yet cooper cable. I just purchased a new to me preamp. The Simaudio P-8 which is fantastic IMO. Has some sheen and a dash of warmth to it also so it may work well and my DAC is not bright at all either so other than my tweaters I think I maybe ok to try out a higher revealing amps. Here is my gear. I am thinking either the Krell or Classe may match up? What do you like better? The Classe are a bit more money and I will need to sell my amps on my own so the Krell is a better offer but in end I just want the best amp. My system: amp I am thinking of replacing: * Pass Labs X350.5 Stereo Power Amplifier Magico S5 Loudspeakers Bricasti Design M1SE DAC w/Ethernet Network Player Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 Reference Preamplifier PS Audio P10 Power Plant AC Power Regeneration Kubala-Sosna Research - Emotion - Speaker Cables Kubala-Sosna Research - Emotion - Interconnects XLR 2.0M, 1.5M Kubala-Sosna Research - Emotion - AC Power Cable 2.0M Verastarr Grand Illusion II Power Cable 1.5M Elrod Power Systems EPS-2S Signature Power Cable 1.0M Nordost Heimdall 2 - Power Cable 2.0M https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/5160 Thanks again... |
Your Magico S5 have beryllium dome tweeters, which are NOT metal dome. They will be very high resolution, but will not have the harsh breakup of normal metal domes, so I wouldn’t worry about this. As I said, make sure all your cables have gold-plated (or rhodium plated) terminations (spades, plugs, RCA, XLR). The only thing I would really look at is your Nordost power cable. I don’t know the configuration on your Heimdall 2, but Nordost likes to use larger 16awg solid-core conductors and uses silver-plating to increase higher resolution voltage draws. If things are a little harsh with the Krell/Classe, I would look at replacing this cable first. ---- The Classe vs Krell is a hard question. They are close. The Classe is very clean sounding and, If I had to nitpick, I -think- the Classe might be more accurate to the input signal. However, I have been somewhat of a Krell fanboy since 2005 when I first got my Krell HTS home theater processor. When I was ready to upgrade, I went through and tried several different processors, but I kept coming back to the Krell and finally just upgraded to Krell S1200U. There’s something about the Krell "discrete Class A" analog and driver stages that just "sing". There’s definitely a "magic" here, in my opinion. The Krell will have a lot of resolution and dynamics, and there will be no lack of "realism" that is common with warm or colored amps. Caphill may have a different opinion, as he owns and loves his Classe amps. --- Few more details. The Classe is fan cooled, so there might be a little fan noise. Classe are 89 lb monoblocks and are smaller which may be easier to move/handle? CT-M600 can be at most 8 years old. ---- Krell 402e is very big and heavy at 135lbs. It can be as old as 11 years. If you are looking at power cords, the Krell requires a special C19 IEC 20A connector on the amplifier power cord socket. I recommend the Furutech rhodium variations (FI-32(R) / FI-52(R) / FI-52NCF). I actually have a couple of FI-52 connectors that I plan to put up for sale for $199 each. |
Great info - thanks so much! I thought berrillyium was a type of metal so that shows what I know... lol As I think I mentioned I changed my preamp from Mark Levinson No.326s to Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 and honestly I can’t believe how much of an upgrade it was. I guess it’s not a real fair match up for ML $10k and Sim $16k but everything got so much better. I’m so happy with this change. I also switched my audio server and that was another huge upgrade. I went from a custom built mini fanless LPS powered windows based PC that feeds the Ethernet Network Player in my Bricasti M1SE to a non windows linex based Audio only server that is power by the excellent Uptone Audio JS-2 LPS - plugged into a PS Audio P10 and this new server is super low power - it’s processer only uses 10watts it’s a 12w sever and this is another gigantic upgrade that I’m super happy with. Im really into some of the very best sound I’ve ever had in my life and I’ve been at it for a while. I’d like to pick up 3 more Kubala-Sosna Emotion PC’s so my entire cable loom will be completely Kubala-Sosna Emotion cabling and yes that makes sense to remove the Nordost. I think my weak link if you could call it that is my Pass amp. It’s not a weak link per say but I’d like to get an amp to push along the resolution and dynamics. Weight and all that is fine I’m after the highest resolution, most dynamics and the more musical amp with overall best sound. My gut says it’s the Krell. The Krell cost a lot more new - not that matters but they seemed to have more cost no object funds to put into it. |
