Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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"An ideal speaker system should have phase response linear with frequency, which in simple terms means that all frequencies produced by the driver reach the listener’s ear at the same time. "

This statement seems vague and lacking specifics.  I am not sure what they mean by "reaching the listener's ear at the same time".  May be written by the marketing department. :-)

As Tom said, the only way to prove that a speaker is time-phase coherent is that it can produce a pulse response.  You could come up with a lot of reasons as to why a certain speaker is time-phase coherent, but at the end of the day, it has to be able to produce a proper impulse response.  And I think I've read somewhere that there is a law in which stated that in order to legally advertise your speakers as "time-phase coherent", it has to prove that it can produce a impulse response.
Ideally there would be a single driver that can produce 20Hz - 20kHz but since such a driver does not exist, one has to use electrical filters, and all all filters have phase shift.  Some choose to optimize in frequency domain and some choose to optimize in time domain.
Another things that often overlooked in Thiel design is the geometry of the baffle which I believe was designed as such to reduce the effect of diffraction and I don't think one can underestimate how it helps the speakers disappear.  It definitely adds to manufacture cost and I don't think Thiel did it just for the look.  When I see a lot of high end speakers that basically just have a rectangular and square shape I kind of frown ... I am sure they could do a lot better.
It seems like Thiel products for some reasons produce a lot of polarized opions - you either like it or you hate it - at least that's the sense I got.  I haven't heard all their products, but I appreciate the technologies behind their designs.
andy - your reservations regarding high-power output from the model 2 are valid. Small drivers with relatively low-frequency crosspoints serve to simulate a point source, with off axis / room energy being correctly associated with on-axis / direct energy. A real singer, drum, etc. in your playback room would act like a point source.

The model 2 has never been able to play as loud or deep as the model 3 and above. That's the main reasons it costs so much less. If you like Thiel and want louder, find a series 3 or higher.

jon - the ATC with a 3" midrange can play loud because it is crossed over much higher and steeper. Trade-offs. Physics rules.
Step response and square wave response are good indications of time accuracy.
I am of the thought that only infinite baffles (sealed boxes) and true transmission lines (which for full range speakers would be ginormous!) can be truly time coherent.
@tom, the crossover is much steeper but the ATC mid is crossed over at 380 while the CS2.4 is at 800.  Since it was created as a pro driver it was made for loud volume, reliability, temperature stability.