I do not think @daveyf is being too pedantic... well maybe a little.
Its amazing really.
I'm one of those guys that has several top flight cartridges that had never heard any of them in my very own set up.
I maybe heard a sister cartridge at the dealer's but never the one.. no one carried the top of the line and certainly would not lend it even though I have had good relationships with dealers on hard goods and taking those on trial. These cartridges are probably $15 k each at retail or more.
Never heard one in my system nada. I try to triangulate based on hearing what I can where I can and read. It makes no sense for the consumer.
I think @tangramca and I live in the same area. I have a dealer near me that has maybe 1/2 million in analog tables, arms and cartridges... really. I can't get a sign of how that cartridge in that arm .. (he has maybe 20 combinations)... would ever sound in my system.
To complicate matters , often the brands I look at , Koetsu is one of them, are so heavily loaded with the local distributor's excess that I sometimes buy offshore from qualified dealers at 1/2 the price. I mean if a dealer is not going to carry the unit locally and just have it drop shipped - what's the point ? I weigh the risk and I have developed good long distance relationships with some dealers of alternative brands not available locally or so heavily priced in our small market that it is worth going off the reservation.
I guess I do not expect dealers to lend cartridges.. however, I don't expect to pay full retail if you've never had it to demo, ever, and simply order on my behalf.
I don't waste dealer's time.. actually I am probably a customer they would respect. I expect them to make money to pay the heat, wages, taxes and inventory. I rarely haggle-- I let the relationship bargain for me. Its easy to experience the value of dealer... and pay for it. with hard goods but cartridges have always been out of scope.
Its amazing really.
I'm one of those guys that has several top flight cartridges that had never heard any of them in my very own set up.
I maybe heard a sister cartridge at the dealer's but never the one.. no one carried the top of the line and certainly would not lend it even though I have had good relationships with dealers on hard goods and taking those on trial. These cartridges are probably $15 k each at retail or more.
Never heard one in my system nada. I try to triangulate based on hearing what I can where I can and read. It makes no sense for the consumer.
I think @tangramca and I live in the same area. I have a dealer near me that has maybe 1/2 million in analog tables, arms and cartridges... really. I can't get a sign of how that cartridge in that arm .. (he has maybe 20 combinations)... would ever sound in my system.
To complicate matters , often the brands I look at , Koetsu is one of them, are so heavily loaded with the local distributor's excess that I sometimes buy offshore from qualified dealers at 1/2 the price. I mean if a dealer is not going to carry the unit locally and just have it drop shipped - what's the point ? I weigh the risk and I have developed good long distance relationships with some dealers of alternative brands not available locally or so heavily priced in our small market that it is worth going off the reservation.
I guess I do not expect dealers to lend cartridges.. however, I don't expect to pay full retail if you've never had it to demo, ever, and simply order on my behalf.
I don't waste dealer's time.. actually I am probably a customer they would respect. I expect them to make money to pay the heat, wages, taxes and inventory. I rarely haggle-- I let the relationship bargain for me. Its easy to experience the value of dealer... and pay for it. with hard goods but cartridges have always been out of scope.