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Turning off tube preamp first sends solid state amp into protection?

I have been experimenting with using a vintage Luxman CL40 valve preamp as a separate preamp stage for my L-509X integrated. Because I leave the solid state amp on 24/7, I accidentally turned off the preamp while the 509X was still in Separate mode. The integrated immediately went into protection mode with the power light blinking. I powered it down into standby mode, then brought it back up and it remained in protection mode. It wasn't until I unplugged the 509X and plugged it back in that everything was cool. 

Did I do any potential damage here? What it it happens again? It's pretty easy to accidentally turn off the preamp when I'm leaving the 509X on all the time.
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tonykay
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To avoid the "pop" I had become familiar with, I have started to turn on the solid state power amp well before I turn on my tube preamp. Is it the right sequence? Really don't know but I don't get that pop anymore.
wolf_garcia
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Always turn the preamp on first and off last, although with many modern systems it might not matter much...but that's been the conventional wisdom for a while. 
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harrylavo
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One of the all time truths from the "hi-fi" stage - start turning off at the far end of the chain.  Always power amp first, preamp second, originating component third.  And reverse when powering on.  Especially with tube gear.

You eliminate dc offsets, and you eliminate instability.  Modern equipment sometimes uses slow-warm-up components and other circuit tricks, but your Luxman certainly would not have those.

If you had damaged your amp, it would stay in protected mode once you shut down and restarted completely from scratch.  It didn't, so you are safe.

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jsqt OP
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Thanks this is all good to know.

I was aware of the power up/power down sequence but since adding the L509X I leave the power amp on 24/7.

By adding the vintage valve pre, it sounds like I'll be having to power down the solid state integrated instead of leaving it on full time.

I'm only using the valve pre with the 509X at lower volumes, as it really adds to the sound of vocals at lower volumes.
gdnrbob
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I think wolf garcia's method is best.
I own an Atmasphere preamp and use it with Ayre MX-R amps.
I turn on the preamp first and wait for the DC offset light to go off before I turn on the amps. Luckily, Ayre has a DC sensor that will trigger the amps to enter standby until the problem is corrected.
I think your preamp is emitting DC and triggering the amps to shut down- which is the correct response to DC. Otherwise, they would get toasted.
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