Does anyone care to ask an amplifier designer a technical question? My door is open.
I would like to hear how each of you figured out how much power you needed to buy in watts?Never bought by power. Always purchased by sound. Currently have 100 and 150w SS and 40w tube 84db 1w / 1m. min 3.2Ω, max 16Ω, mean 7Ω Loud level is 90db C weighted slow measured with REW at seating pos 13ft from LS. Don't have low level. Each selection is listened at optimum for type. Sonic wallpaper is MP3 over internet in MONO, MP3 is intolerable in stereo. SS amps not rated @ 4Ω |
Never bought by power. Always purchased by sound. On several occasions with lackluster sound at higher SPLS, I ended up purchasing more power elsewhere and that has worked. HI, Roger here with a question. I figured it out by listening and trial and error over time and based essentially on those parameters as a guide. However specifications alone seldom tell the whole story. The devil is always in the details much of which is never specified. Detailed measurements like those in Stereophile help a lot but I have found there may still be surprises playing real music even with very comprehensive test measurements at ones finger tips, though if done correctly, measurements certainly help with the decision making process of what to try next or not. |
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Is it harder to design a amp or preamp? Thanks for a lovely simple question. Preamps are much easier and to me not so interesting as power amps. In my career I have designed two major preamps, the RM-1 a very high performance preamp that was not at all easy and then the RM-5 which was quite easy. With power amps I could go on forever. They are challenging because one has to consider the wide variety of loads they will encounter, there is a lot of energy so if things go *BANG* lots of stuff can be destroyed. I have designed dozens of power amps and only produced the ones I feel will perform well in a variety of systems. |
Preamps are much easier and to me not so interesting as power amps.From the heart, I don't want to tease you out and set you up for some type of audio sparring, a form of website f-erism I despise. I respect you and am willing to do my best to listen/read with an open mind. But that said, you can't possibly mean that preamps are easier in general and I am unaware of any accolades for your preamps (whereas you are lauded for your amps). Obviously you mean that for your tastes and purposes, preamps are easier than amps. Few would argue that the audio world is full of great amps and that there are a dearth of great preamps. I have an opinion that is not subject to proof-that the easier a loudspeaker is to drive (in terms of both impedance curve and sensitivity) the more a great preamp's sonic attributes are appreciated. A great preamp does more than attenuate a signal. It breathes life into music. A great preamp is quietly powerful, while a great amp simply provides grunt. Once again, purely resorting to engineering and lab measurements is a sure way to fail when it comes to preamps. A great preamp needs a great PSU section, preferably outboard. Lab measurements don't explain why a great PSU is so important to the performance of a preamp. |
@fsonicsmith Your own decision to go hybrid with your higher powered amp and to go true balanced with your higher powered amp but not your lowered power amp is a head-scratcher. If-as you state-monos are more susceptible to hum than stereo amps, why do you implement RCA-only vs. offering true balanced in the opposite direction? And while a solid state input stage may very well offer better measurements, where is the proof that it sounds better? At the end of the day, isn’t it indisputable that it is cheaper to produce and less complicated? You on the one hand have little good to say about Rogue and yet when it comes to hybrid tube amps, I think of Rogue (and Musical Fidelity though I don’t count their "tubes" as tubes). I do not understand the first sentence at all. Where is the head-scratcher? Sound, reliability, completeness of design, ease of service are all pretty equal in my mind. Sound is subjective. The other are objective and will bite you in the butt. I think you misunderstand the RM-200 and RM-10 so lets get this straight. I dont like the term hybrid at all. In a good design we use the parts and circuits that do the job best. I wanted the RM-200 to have good CMRR (hum rejection in simple terms). One cannot do that with a tube at the input. One needs two active devices that are critically matched and stay matched. So I used a "supermatched pair". That is not a made up term but a technical term for a pair of transistors where each transistor is 100 transistors in parallel. I can trim the CMRR to 90 dB or better and it will stay that good for a very long time. The RM-200 has many other special characteristics such as, fully balanced input to output, taps down to 1 ohm, reasonable damping, good power bandwidth. It also has something few amps do not have which is the abilty to drive a dipping load with increased power rather than decreased power. Neither CJ, Rogue, ARC or anyone else I can think of has done that. The RM-10 is a sweet little EL84 amp that appears to delight QUAD owners, can be switched to mono or stereo with a unique driver circuit that does not require gain matching or summing resistors like the Stereo 70 and others do. You can look this up as to how stereo tube amps are converted to mono. BTW they are not bridged. For a small amp like the RM-10 I saw now need and have not had even one request for balanced. The RM-10 is unique in that is produces 35 watt from one pair of EL-34s where most produce 17.5 watts. I spoke about this application at Burning Amp 2018. Perhaps you might watch the video. http://berkeleyhifischool.com/having-fun-at-burning-amp-2018/ Monos are generally suseptible to hum because of power cord grounds. Not much else. I dont understand your point of "going in the opposite direction" The RM-10 is a very affordable amp. It is one of a very few tube amps that has no PCB. Its hand wired start to finish. It seems to me that JA has a tendency to disagree with his own reviewer’s perceptions as to which output tap is best rather than criticizing the design of this amp and it’s output tap measurements per se. As far as JA is concerned. The reviewer writes what he writes, JA measures and comments and sometimes wonders why the reviewer didn’t hear distortion or damping or whatever. He is trying to make sense of sometimes disparate opinions as I would. The reviewer does not see JAs measurements or comments till publication. Read MIke Fremers lead in to the RM-200. To paraphrase, "I know I wont get caught with my pants down when JA measures this amp" In other words, he knows it will measure well. I am still amused at manufacturers like Cary where the marketing guy really got caught with his pants down. I am far more interested in JA’s measurements than the fluff about this record and that CD sounded. The reviewers rarely tell us anyting about how much power they are using, what the speaker and amp interaction might be. IMO most of them listen around a watt. Should JA only measure up to a watt on a 100 watt amp where someone might really need 100 watts? This may dismay you quite a bit from an engineering standpoint, but I take measurements of tube amps to be very analogous to measurements of DAC’s; the best measuring DAC’s don’t often sound the best. This dismays me not at all. How does this analogy apply? A DAC drives no load at all. A speaker drives a host of loads and will sound different into each of them, with output impedance being the most obvious factor and distortion the next. How can you make such a statement? Now if you think speakers should be matched with a particular amp then your are faced with the problem of changing both at the same time or hunting for another speaker that likes your amp or amp that likes your speaker. I am proud to say that my amps sound damn good on a wide variety of speakers and that is what good engineering is all about. Just to lay your mind at ease. Your ARC is not a bad amp at all. Im glad you like it. Its just not up to my standards.... or John’s as he warned in the end of his measurements. What is intereresting is that current ARC power amps are not up to Bill Johnson’s standards. All of Bill’s amps were very low distortion, high damping. I dont particularly like the way he went about it but it is crystal clear that he valued those two parameters in all his amplifiers. The current designer has an entirely different set of values. I appreciate that he has gone to simplicity. Now all he needs to do is get the performance up a bit. What do we know about his background? While I agree that not all things can be measured I am writing about things that can be measured and their effect can be understood. May I ask since the RM-200 had both excellent sound according to Mike Fremmer and excellent measurements at half the price 33% more power, why did you not buy and RM-200? |
