Does anyone care to ask an amplifier designer a technical question? My door is open.

atmasphere6,745 posts11-27-2018 1:15pm

Preamps are much easier and to me not so interesting

Roger, IME this statement is false. Many good amplifier designers think that a good preamp is no big deal and then go right ahead and design a poor preamp as a result. This is totally because they really in fact for real don't know what a preamp does! - which is to say, a lot more than just the gain and bandwidth, that sort of thing. If a preamp isn't right, it makes no difference how good the amp or speakers are, the missing information can't be recovered downstream.

I love being vindicated. I have personally never encountered a manufacturer who seems as neutral and knowledgeable as Ralph.
Roger, you may not think that this is a technical question, but why don't you believe that preamps do more than regulate gain and provide ample bandwidth and select sources? What is your scientific engineering basis for making such a claim? Do you feel that volume controls are a simple design choice? Are off the shelf rotary pots good enough for you? You tried to put me down that I must be "new to audio" (I am not, been at it for 43 years since age 16) and yet I bet 99% of us who have similar time in this hobby are not familiar with your preamps. Heck, your amps are miles under the radar as well. Frankly, and here is a technical question for you too, your designs, particularly your RM100 appears awfully similar to those of Don Sachs. His amps are less money. What sets yours apart from his (other than is being far more widely known by word of mouth).I can't help but note that you keep insisting that this thread is for technical questions and yet on multiple occasions you have pitched your products. You in fact asked me why I did not consider your RM200 rather than my ARC Ref 150SE. The answer is one I think I answered previously; I believe as does Ralph evidently that it does no good to have a great preamp and a mediocre preamp. Shite flows downstream. I picked my ARC Ref 6 first and then picked the ARC Ref 150SE because I could count on it mating well with my pre. In addition to my question above, I have another one. And this is not meant to be a challenge despite your likely impression that it is. What is your scientific engineering basis for concluding that damping factor, adequate power, and low distortion are the most important performance criteria for an amp (reliability and serviceability not falling within performance criteria)? You keep beating the dead horse of a single Cary amp as if it that one amp represents all that is wrong with most every competitor's design! It is my impression that damping factor being a non-issue with the great majority of competently designed amps, your design philosophy boils down to your preference for the better dynamic range afforded by the high voltage of tubes combined with low distortion. I accept the former premise-greater dynamic range from higher voltage afforded by tubes-but I reject your fixation on low distortion. Note that I used the word "fixation". Sure low distortion is critical but low distortion can be obtained and yet the amp can sound terrible. An amp can sound great and provide accurate renditions of the recording and yet be on the higher side of accepted distortion levels. My point being that there is a hell of a lot more that goes into a great amp than low distortion. You admit that you eschew premium parts because they allegedly don't afford better sound and because the price increase magnifies 5 fold to the consumer (and I agree on the effect of higher priced parts). Where is your scientific engineering proof that premium parts and wire don't make a beneficial difference? You imply (no, you outright state) that my ARC amp is overpriced compared to your RM200 "at half the price" and yet you disregard that both my preamp and amp are chock-full of expensive parts. 
There were warnings that this thread could go south if it did not remain Q and A. I appreciate that. I promise not to respond in any way in this thread again. But let me leave with these words; I believe that most who read through this thread with an open and unbiased mind will see a lot of very useful and candid information combined with some highly biased viewpoints by Mr. Modjeski and a  fair amount of self-promotion and shilling mixed in. 

Im not going to go too far with the preamp vs power amp ease of design controversy. Everyone is parroting back the party line, which I disagree with. 

I did a shootout for phono stages for our local audio society. It was a strict A/B. We had several name preamps all the way up to $20,000. I will never do this again for a club. They were sad that only one of 8 preamps sounded really different and that one is also well respected. However that one was +3 dB at 10 KHZ and it was obvious. They left shaking their heads because when they compare the same preamps one at a time they "think" they hear big differences. 

I pride myself in preamp power supplies, RIAA accuracy, lowest noise. The RM-5 is the lowest noise 6922 preamp new or old. I know this because the noise is at the limit of the tube itself, not the circuit. 

I think a lot of designers have problems with the power supplies, noise (tube rush) and hum. .These problems are not easy to solve. Perhaps that is the source of the comment. 

Ralph, I measured your preamp's RIAA and it was +4 db in the bass. That is not accurate EQ. My RIAA accuracy is +/- 0.2 dB.
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What interests me is how it came to be thought that preamps are harder. What designer is going around saying that? Im not.

@fsonicsmith 

I believe as does Ralph evidently that it does no good to have a great preamp and a mediocre preamp.

would you like to fix this sentence? did you mean one of those to me power amp, not preamp? Look i know ive stirred you up, but you did ask about ARC.I really dont care if you are familiar with my preamps or not. You have a lot to say about something you have neither heard or know anything about.

Frankly, and here is a technical question for you too, your designs, particularly your RM100 appears awfully similar to those of Don Sachs.

I dont make an RM-100. You think this is anyting like I make? http://www.dsachsconsulting.com/CitationRestoration_html_files/7564.jpg

 You tried to put me down that I must be "new to audio" (I am not, been at it for 43 years since age 16) and yet I bet 99% of us who have similar time in this hobby are not familiar with your preamps

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If you were reading Stereophile and other print magazines pre internet you would have read reviews of the RM-5, 9, 10, and 200. I have not had a large internet presence by choice. 

I have another one. And this is not meant to be a challenge despite your likely impression that it is. What is your scientific engineering basis for concluding that damping factor, adequate power, and low distortion are the most important performance criteria for an amp

I have already stated my basis for all those many times here. JA agrees with me, Peter Walker, Bill Jonhson and many others feel these are very important. Since you admit you only have 1% (100-99=1%)  of my engineering knowlege how can I explain it to you. You seem to think I have some magic fairy dust I can sprinkle and make you understand. I really can't and this is making me tired.

If you cant understand regulation (damping) then you cannot appreciate its value. Why do people without technical knowledge want to engage in a technical debate? All they can do is parrott back something they have heard.

There were warnings that this thread could go south if it did not remain Q and A. I appreciate that. I promise not to respond in any way in this thread again.

Thank you for leavning us be. I think you are the only one carrying us south.

The solder joints just fall apart from vibration.

Interesting. My Force is still going strong after 15 years. Pre ROHS.

Two good questions for sub makers :)

Another is "Why provide such useless controls?" Many subs are clearly not designed to be integrated in any meaningful way.

Anyone interested in the effort expended, visit http://ielogical.com/Audio/SubTerrBlues.php

Most 'non-ap' listeners comment on bass definition rather than quantity.