No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need

Mr. khiak

Thanks. What a post to start my weekend with…Please be kind to thank in person your dear friends: Sam and John. Posts like yours are the best reword to my effort to bring this subject to your attention. It really makes me happy.

Some comments on the sound impression.

I assume that the DIY cables got the lows to sound more realistic. The Wilson Alexia driven by Passlabs 350.8 dont need a pair of Rel 212se to get the bottom lows alive! The note that the DIY cable brought in the bass (detailed and tight) shows that the AWG of the DIY cable was way more "right" than the previous Kharma. When you emphasize one band (the low band in Sam's case) the other bands might seem to have less. Often happens when a speaker is positioned wrong and has too much bouncing bass from a wall or a corner. Not as it is really has less highs. As Sam's impression is: "The high extension seems to have lessen and sounded less sparkle, but sufficient and overall adequate". Just the Fr. Response is more realistic (flat). What you describe as sweet, is like having more of a tube sound: poor DF. A poor cable can do that to a fantastic SS high DF amp. Some do like more the "Sweet sound". However, the realistic is better to my opinion. I see to yours too.

Same impression is repeated by you, just to give those words more weight.

In overall, the #4 AWG DIY (calculated) cables got your Amp's into full control (using most of the Amp's DF figure in use). It is another proof that science prevails over none science methods. It also increases statistics, to get the result more accurate and firm. By your testimony and the spirit of your words (all six), it shows that a small try of the idea offered for free, goes a long way when it land in your room and plays the music.

Could you please say:

a.       What was the length and gauge of the Kharma and Ansuz (the once replaced by your new DIY cables)?

b.     How much did they cost?

c.       Could you get some pictures of your cables (mainly of the endings).

Thanks.

I'm here for now. If I move, I'll leave a trail to keep helping those who may ask. Thanks again for the sharing.

Here is a link to the updated excel table: https://imgur.com/a/tgGNIvB

b4icu,
a). All our high-end cables are 2 metres in length with no spec on the gauge or size of the cables.
b).  SAM’s Kharma retail price USD8000 for 2M pair.
       JOHN’s Ansuz Speakz C2 retail price USD8400 for 2M pair.
        KHIAK ‘s Kharma retail price USD17000 for 2M pair.
c)     I have pictures but do not know how to post it. 

b4icu,
I do not have the imgur software, please update the spreadsheet on our behalf. Thanks 

Mr. khiak

Thanks.

1. The imgur software:

Click this: https://imgur.com/a/9IPINRA (the updated spreadsheet is there).

Click the green box on left top of the screen that say: New post.

On the window that opens, drag a picture. It will upload to the site.

On the right top of the screen, an HTTP address line is created, next to the button: Copy.

Copy it to your post.

Every time someone clicks it here, a new window will open and your uploaded picture will show up. Repeat the process for more pictures.

2. The prices on the old cables (that been replaced by the DIY) are very high. It’s sum is over $30,000.- were replaced by $300.-!!!

I assume that a US $8,000.- US $8,400.- and US $17,000.- are what some industry representatives here used to call Hi-end speaker cables. Call it whatever you like…I call it robbing $30,000.- from people, by taking advantage of their innocent desire to get a better sound out of their system.

This revelation of yours (impression vs. cable value) is exactly what my claim was.

Reading their adv. On site: https://audiofederation.com/brands/kharma/kharma-price-list

And https://blinkhighend.com/shop/cables/ansuz-speakz-speaker-cables/

No technical data at all! Some mambo jumbo on technology, some "purity" crap, "one-material conductor-termination-circuit" superiority (?) and a staggering price.

Calculations: None

Fit to customer requirements: None

Technical data for a skilled audiophile to pick the right one: None

Results: 

Over $30,000.- of cost to be beaten by some understanding (in electronics) and $300.- of materials cost.

• b4icu
  

Would replacing the Furez connectors with Furutech connectors improve the sound quality?

Cannot find the green box PAGE that say NEW POST to post the picture, I am not savvy in this, sorry.