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Why Power Cables Affect Sound

I just bought a new CD player and was underwhelmed with it compared to my cheaper, lower quality CD player. That’s when it hit me that my cheaper CD player is using an upgraded power cable. When I put an upgraded power cable on my new CD player, the sound was instantly transformed: the treble was tamed, the music was more dynamic and lifelike, and overall more musical. 

This got me thinking as to how in the world a power cable can affect sound. I want to hear all of your ideas. Here’s one of my ideas:

I have heard from many sources that a good power cable is made of multiple gauge conductors from large gauge to small gauge. The electrons in a power cable are like a train with each electron acting as a train car. When a treble note is played, for example, the small gauge wires can react quickly because that “train” has much less mass than a large gauge conductor. If you only had one large gauge conductor, you would need to accelerate a very large train for a small, quick treble note, and this leads to poor dynamics. A similar analogy might be water in a pipe. A small pipe can react much quicker to higher frequencies than a large pipe due to the decreased mass/momentum of the water in the pipe. 

That’s one of my ideas. Now I want to hear your thoughts and have a general discussion of why power cables matter. 

If you don’t think power cables matter at all, please refrain from derailing the conversation with antagonism. There a time and place for that but not in this thread please. 
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xyobgyn's avatar
xyobgyn
42 posts
 
Jafreeman,

I read both your posts regarding ARC. This is exactly what you said following the ARC quote regarding speaker wires and interconnects:

”Audio Research cannot emphasize enough the use of high-quality cords and wire, and I consider their advice of the highest authority. I have always taken that as audio canon. ”

You clearly changed what ARC actually said in your sample from the manual. You changed “speaker wire and interconnects” to “high quality cords and wire” trying to spread their official comment to include power cords. I think that is a distortion anyone can see. 

Your comment that follows is an interesting observation of what ARC was doing at one point in time, but CLEARLY not a public endorsement from ARC in their user manual suggesting that the end user will benefit by using a different power cord.   (As you tried to imply)

I’m glad you were able to improve the sound of your system with new PC. In my mind, perhaps only mine, that puts your power conditioner or main AC line into question, but I’m afraid you might take that personally.

I don’t think I would take anyone’s word as canon, though I would respect what ARC publishes on paper in their user manual.

But please, my reading comprehension is intact. Your quote from ARC doesn’t support that ARC told users to choose their PC carefully. Not at all.


nonoise's avatar
nonoise
10,904 posts
 
I am surprised no one else picked up on this.  An interesting poll would be to see if any companies include on paper, in their user instructions, opinions that one should invest in the best possible or best matching PC to go with their amp, preamp, DAC, Turntable or whatever?
The manual that comes with the Kinki EX-M1 integrated states to get rid of the "el cheapo" power cord that comes with it and to get a better one.
it’s very dissapointing to think that they don’t know how to build a great power supply to perform that task at the levels most of us invest in our equipment.
 
I think they do know but they weigh the costs of building a robust power supply that a smaller percentage of users will appreciate compared to the majority who will simply be content with it. They're buying the brand and nothing more. The more discerning here will seek out better so don't despair: it's just the way things are.

Sarjan over at 6moons marveled at the overbuilt power supply on the Jay's Audio CDT, saying that it distinguishes top hifi gear from the entry level. This is not to say that ARC or other great makes are entry level, but a lot of gear built today is derived from the same group think that used to think that as long as it's built to spec and what the manual dictates, than all is well. That way of thinking has held back real innovation. Working outside the box is what's needed.

All the best,
Nonoise
xyobgyn's avatar
xyobgyn
42 posts
 
Joe,
We have some common ground.....  (pun not intended)

Not trying to personally attack you so much as clarify for others what ARC actually said. Interesting about Kinki or whatever above. Wonder if other companies say likewise.
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jafreeman
689 posts
 
xyobgyn, 
Regarding my reference from the ARC amplifier manual:  Not only do they recommend using the best interconnects and speaker cables, but they also use and endorse better AC cords.  From Warren Gehl, Chief Listener at ARC, as written on the Sain Line Systems site:  

l use Sain Line Systems reference power cords and pure reference interconnects and consider them essential to getting the highest performance possible from our reference system and they are key tools for product development. 

I have combined the quote from the ARC manual with what I know about Warren Gehl and his use of reference AC power cords in product development, no less.  I have the advantage of the wholistic picture here---you do not--until now.  My sources are original and are highly regarded authorities--I have argued for the legitimacy of high-purity AC cords, interconnects and wires, I have explained to you why AC power modification is necessary.  I hope I have been of some service to and others who are wondering where to go in the next development of their systems.  

Cheers,  
Joe 

mrdecibel
3,065 posts
 
For whatever reason, my post was cut short. My CJ statement was supposed to indicate that the wire CJ uses, was selected, based on purchase price, availability and the requirements CJ needs to " get the job done " , probably not on sound quality ( from Electri Cord of the NE). An analogy : Tire manufacturers to vehicle manufacturers. The tires that come equipped with new vehicles are generally not the best available, as the vehicle manufacturer is not buying the best tire available ( in most cases ), even from the same manufacturer of the supplied tire. I likely will notice a change in the tires, by the ride and handling of the vehicle. Would a 12 year old sitting in the back of the vehicle notice ? The naysayers remind me of the kid in the back seat. Ear = designed to listen and hear. Most of us can hear direction of sounds, but, deeper within the brain = dissecting and descrambling the information, with the interpretation of better ( just go with different ) sq. Michael Green stated this earlier. Power cables are not new, but the controversy seems to be growing ,and I am with him in noticing. 20 years ago it was just accepted. I believe a reason is simply pricing. All of high end audio is expensive today. Ridiculously so. Best to you all. Enjoy ! MrD.
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