Why Power Cables Affect Sound

@boxer12

mrdecibel wrote: "Again, after the last post from prof and analogluvr, they are simply missing out on the fact that " after market power cables " make a difference, and generally, improvements. So, while I am enjoying these improvements in sq in my listening, they are still battling it. "

In other words, he confidently declares he gets to enjoy the audible benefits of AC cables while poor sods like us "battle" the idea. As if there are no POSSIBLE downsides to his claim.

Therefore I presented an alternative POSSIBILITY - note how I used that word? It’s not a declaration of fact, only another POSSIBILITY that others may consider - that of paying much more money for products that don’t in fact do what they claim to do - even if mrdecibel refuses to ever question his position.

I’ve been presenting a reasoned defense for skepticism about AC cable claims, with civility, and constantly keeping those claims modest and saying "I could be wrong, I’m not claiming anyone here is wrong, I’m not claiming to know people aren’t hearing sonic differences, I’m open to the idea AC cables alter sound."
Again...that is FAR more open minded and conciliatory to the other side than the attitude the pro-cable folks have shown me here.

Whereas folks like nonoise reply with insults like "you have issues" and mrdecibel "I have no reason to respond to your ignorance or foolishness."

Why don’t you take their tone to task, I wonder?


Why do the Cable supporters get the free pass with snark and insult, but presenting an alternative view is "derailing" a thread with "antagonism?"

I keep trying to shine at least some light on the weird bias that goes on here, where cable-lovers seem like they process any skepticism as either dogmatism or antagonistic, and THEY are the ones who typically respond with blatantly insulting tones.

"Has anyone done an ABX test of power cords and seen a positive result?"

Not that I’ve ever read.

But FWIW.....


https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html

There are some forms of doing a blind test, even without an ABX box, that seem to me viable. E.g. if you could get two units of the same CD player or DAC, use a stock cable on one, after market cable on the other, run them through a pre-amp that can switch between them, and set up a blind test.   There's a post, or blog out there somewhere that I read, where a guy in pro audio did just that, as he ended up being sent two of the same DAC, which made it easy to do the after market AC cable test.  Results were negative for detecting sonic differences.

(I did something similar with CD players and DACs, though one DAC had a volume control which made it particularly good for matching levels. I easily identified differences between them in those blind tests btw...which goes to show it’s not the case that all blind tests reult in negative findings or "blind testing by nature erases audible differences" or whatever).

I’d do it myself if I had two identical DACs. I actually have the Benchmark 1 and the Benchmark 2 DAC. But as they are not strictly identical units, the claim could always be made that this presents another variable.

I haven’t actually set up the Benchmark 2 DAC yet, so maybe if I can pull off a blind test between it and the DAC 1 that might be interesting. (And if I can’t detect a sonic difference between them, in principle that would be a baseline for an AC cable test...hmm.....)

prof " Why don’t you take their tone to task, I wonder?"

Because they are not " derailing the conversation with antagonism", as the OP requested

boxer12,

So you fall in to the "If I just repeat the same criticism without any more evidence, and without addressing the other person’s points, that will do."

That doesn’t exactly elevate the conversation here.


In fact it seems rather...antagonistic.


Look at my first post - it’s not antagonistic, it’s civil and simply presents another alternative, including that I am not claiming to be "right" and others are "wrong." I’ve kept that stance through the whole thread, even in fhe face of actual antagonism.


I’ve simply expressed my reasons for not jumping on the aftermarket AC cable bandwagon - including how my own experience with AC cables helped form my stance. Where the AC cable supporters declare from their own experience "AC CABLES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!" I have been more cautious, saying I WASN’T going to claim from my own negative experience that AC cables don’t make a difference.

If you refuse to notice this imbalance in how views have been presented, and can only interpret the presentation of the alternative viewpoint as "antagonism" that’s frankly where the problem lies.

prof,
I have no doubt you’re a smart guy, just read the last two sentences of the OP’s original post. He wasn’t looking for an alternative viewpoint