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Does anyone care to ask an amplifier designer a technical question? My door is open.

I closed the cable and fuse thread because the trolls were making a mess of things. I hope they dont find me here.

I design Tube and Solid State power amps and preamps for Music Reference. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering, have trained my ears keenly to hear frequency response differences, distortion and pretty good at guessing SPL. Ive spent 40 years doing that as a tech, store owner, and designer.
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Perhaps someone would like to ask a question about how one designs a successfull amplifier? What determines damping factor and what damping factor does besides damping the woofer. There is an entirely different, I feel better way to look at damping and call it Regulation , which is 1/damping.

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I have started a school which you can visit at http://berkeleyhifischool.com/ There you can see some of my presentations.

On YouTube go to the Music Reference channel to see how to design and build your own tube linestage. The series has over 200,000 views. You have to hit the video tab to see all.

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daveyf

first the swapped polarity from amp to speaker does no harm and most will not hear any difference as long as the swap is the same on both sides. All you have done is invert absolute phase which has been a point of contention for many years.

As to one speaker not playing. probably just a loose wire.

No damage will occurr 

For the phase hawks out there. The battery test is valid and is the standard. Though easy it is not entirely correct and JBL tested for in, + not out. Below resonance a cone speaker flips its polarity. So in the normal condition above resonance the cone is moving in for +.

Just something to throw at someone who thinks they know everything about speakers.
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@jafox Thank you for the responses above. The preamp is Aria WV5, the last design by Michael Elliot of Counterpoint 10 years ago. The last thing I want to do is to put anything else in the line such as a transformer.

My experience has been that the most sensitive cable in the system is the IC from line stage and amp, where I was using ARC, BAT, Aesthetix, Counterpoint, Wolcott and CAT. Just putting some cheap 4-5m RCA IC here is going to destroy much of what my system can achieve with a good IC here. And so why not just use one leg of the XLR cable when I have a single-ended amp? I just thought it might be a good idea to not just float the negative line
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What to do with the negative? There are two answers and it depends on the driving end (preamp). You are correct in your earlier post to float the negative, no resistor needed, as long as your preamp is balanced via electronic buffers. We dont want to short those.

The other case (not yours I suspect) is where the preamp has a output transformer where both leads are floating. Then you must connect the signal negative to ground or no sound.
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Ramtubes 12-26-2018

daveyf:
first the swapped polarity from amp to speaker does no harm and most will not hear any difference as long as the swap is the same on both sides. All you have done is invert absolute phase which has been a point of contention for many years.

As to one speaker not playing. probably just a loose wire.

Roger, see my lengthy response to Davey dated 12-22-2018, as well as Davey’s original statement of the question on the previous day. I believe that he did not simply invert absolute phase, but instead he caused the high and low frequency sections of the speaker to be driven with opposite polarities. On the speaker that was producing sound, that is. That would of course have adverse sonic consequences, while not causing any damage.

On the speaker that was not producing sound a loose connection is one possibility, but another possibility (which I cited in my post) is that he was applying the + output of the amp to both the + and - terminals of one section of that speaker, and the - output of the amp to both the + and - terminals of the other section of that speaker. Which of course would result in no sound (and no damage), since no voltage difference would be present between the + and - terminals of each section of the speaker.

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@Jafox, to add to the responses Roger and Ralph have provided to your question, fyi I believe that as a special order item Cardas can supply XLR-female to RCA-male adapters that leave pin 3 unconnected, rather than shorting it to ground (pin 1) as is done by most such adapters.

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@ramtubes
preamp is balanced via electronic buffers. We don’t want to short those.
Depends on the circuit design. A lot of pro gear has IC balanced outputs that can short either leg to Gnd and the output acts single ended, driving no current into the shorted leg.

However, as Roger said, if you don’t know the output is single ended capable, only use one leg.

AND if using balance lines, only connect the screen at the driven end. A shield grounded only at the receiver forms pair of low-pass filters for common-mode noise
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