How important is it for you to attain a holographic image?

Without a shadow of a doubt, the most desirable aspect of high end audio is "The Holographic sound stage", and we see here, so many people don't want it. "Talk about the fox and the grapes"; this is the best example I have ever witnessed.

Rvpiano, why would you think I was speaking to you? I didn't address you specifically.

You can not achieve anything from a record if it's not there; if you do, there is something wrong with your record player.

Realism is not oversold, but it is very hard to achieve; however, here we have more green grapes.

Erik-squires; "1. Smooth FR. One that does not call attention to itself, but feels effortless in dynamic range and endless to the edges in the bass and the treble.

2. Transparency. To me, what I mean is the aural equivalent of standing on a mountain top, and realizing you can see for miles farther than you ever could."

Do you realize that it is impossible not to have these things, and at the same time to have "holography".

Everything everybody mentioned that is more important to them than "Holography" is included in holography; that is, unless you want exaggerated bass, or exaggerated dynamic range, that's not included in holography; only what is on the CD or tape, or record is included in holography.

Maybe this link will help those who have never experienced holography, to understand it.


        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoscope


A "stereo image" is recorded in audio, exactly the same as this visual image; when it's done right, a visual image of the audio will be displayed; if and only "if" you have a room that will precisely reflect audio in a manner that can recreate the recorded image. If, and only if, your audio equipment can recreate every detail that is on the recorded medium, like a Zeiss lens can recreate the image of a picture that is taken.

Since the "holographic image" includes every minute detail that is on the recorded medium, nothing in high end audio is more desirable.

 

@orpheus10 " Without a shadow of a doubt, the most desirable aspect of high end audio is "The Holographic sound stage",

I’ve read a number of articles about this by high end audio critics who do not agree with that.

" Realism is not oversold, but it is very hard to achieve"

Define realism. It certainly isn’t what a sound engineer captures in a specialized studio where electronic music is recorded, usually on different tracks and often at different times and in some cases in different locations. Especially when virtually all of those tracks are altered after being recorded.

" Do you realize that it is impossible not to have these things, and at the same time to have "holography"."

I get that. But you can have all these things without what you call holography. And it appears that in that scenario there exist plenty of high end users who simply don't put holography as their primary goal or source of enjoyment.

Seems hard for you to get past that.

Do you realize that it is impossible not to have these things, and at the same time to have "holography".

I think it depends on what we are calling holography. If you mean a precise or too-precise stereo image, then no, you are not restricted to the FR like I have proposed. As I have mentioned, there are tweaks that enhance imaging at the expense of the FR.

Separately in another thread I discussed a speaker with very good imaging, and exaggerated vocal sounds.

This is a perfect example. Great imaging, wide sweet spot, and a FR that is not that natural to my ears.



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Another recent example was the McIntosh XR50.

Great transparency, and imaging when vocals weren’t rattling the driver frame. :)

Of course, having it all is ideal, but I have so far seen frequency response and imaging to be independent features in most speakers.

I guess this is what should separate the truly great from merely useful speakers. :)


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"Holographic sound" is the end of a very long journey; it’s not a button on a preamp that reads "Holographic sound".

It’s for certain that you can’t get it when you don’t know what it is, and even then, not every recording delivers "Holographic sound", but if your "system" can deliver holographic sound, you can bet it delivers whatever else is on that recording.

I refer to "system" because I am speaking of an organic whole thing in which the room is a very important component that requires a considerable amount of expertise that may require outside help. Although I’m a retired electronics technician, quite capable of dealing with the equipment, "the room" was outside of my field of expertise. (it’s no wonder no one wants "Holographic sound")

The components required are no less than grade "B" as ranked by Stereophile; sorry "mid fi" will just not make the grade.

I refer to "Holographic sound" as a long journey, because you have to know "intimately" what each and every component in your rig is contributing to the whole; that requires a considerable amount of audio education and study, not to mention days of "critical" listening, which means not listening to the music, but focusing on frequency response, or transparency.

After you have acquired the necessary components, and gone over everything twice, it’s still not quite there; it’s "lopsided".

Back to the drawing board; "Why does the left channel sound louder than the right channel ?"

The answer to that question can take months to discover, and after the answer is found, the solution to the problem can take even longer to solve; no wonder there are so many who don’t want "Holographic sound".