Skeptic or just plain hard headed


So I purchased a pair of Morrow Audio phono cables. These are the PH3 with the Eichmann connectors. Wanted to start there to see if MA cables will be a viable option for my system.I think my story is not so unique to others who have purchased MA cables. So no need to go into the hu hum of burn-in in regards to MA cables, and how things sound bad at first, then gets better,  then excellent...yada yada yada. I know the story about this product.  I simply am one who is not a believer in electronics break in periods, or battery packs on cables, etc... Regardless of what side of the fence you are on in regards to that Im NOT trying to start that debate again please.. Anyway. After reading several reviews of the MA cables and understanding that most agreed that the cables needed a substantial burn-in time, and that the cables would not sound its best until this happens I decided to give them a try. Thinking ok lets get a jump on the burn-in period (if the concept is true). I paid for the 2 day burn-in service from MA. What I didn't expect is that when I got the cable it would sound as bad as it did in comparison to my existing name brand cable (not getting into that either, not relevant). I thought well the cable might not quite be up to snuff with all this talk about burn-in (if its true) but not that much of a difference.  I mean as soon as I dropped the needle on the record I immediately heard a profound difference in sound stage and clarity degridation. Needless to say this cable was destined to be returned to MA for a full refund and my thinking was "they are crazy if I am going to trade my cable for this cable" So I decided to give MA a call to setup the return. Talked with Mike Morrow (very nice guy by the way) and we had our differences in what I should expect out of his product. Now my Mother always told me that I have a hard head.. I heard that growing up all my life, and when you couple that with skepticism it makes a pretty, well lets just say not a very fun person to have a debate with lol. However Mike insisted that if I return the cable that I would be missing out on the fruit they would bare after 400 hours of break in. 400 hours??? really!. Oh at that point I was really ready to return them. I told all my friends "Mike must be nuts" (no offense Mike) no way am I going to wait a year to hear what this cable is capable of, AND I do not have any way to expedite the process...at least I thought I didn't until I found an old sound bar I don't use anymore with analog inputs. Ok I know you pro MA and  pro cable burn-in folks are chomping at the bit. Im almost done. Take your hands off the keyboard for just a few more lines. 

So here is the deal to be fair I am going to be open minded about this because Mike really made me feel like I would be missing out if I return the cable without a proper burn-in (great salesman), and since he had such conviction I now think I have to test this thing out right??. Now I know that there are testimonials out there about how the MA cable improved over 100s of hours in their system, and that they are now "blown away". However can you really hear a profound difference in a cable you play in your system over 170 hours or so?  I would think a gradual difference would be harder to detect. I mean my system seems to sound better to me everyday without making any changes. Is it because of  continued cable and electronics burn in?? maybe. Or maybe its just my brain becoming more intimate with the sound of my system. Well this test I'm doing should reveal a night and day difference from what the system sounds like today with the cable pre burn-in if there is any merit to the notion. In regards to does it sound better than my existing cable that is yet to be determined. I think my goal now is to prove or dis-prove if cable burn-in is a real thing. This whole idea has evolved from if it's an improvement or not over what I use today. We can discuss that later.

I now have the cable connected between a cd player , and a sound bar with a CD playing on repeat. The disc of choice for this burn-in is rather dynamic so it should be a good test. At the end of 16 days (384 hours) I will move the cables to my reference system and do about another 20 hours of additional burn-in to compensate for moving the cable. This will put a total of 452 hours of burn-in on the PH3. When I put this cable back in my system I sure hope it sings because this is a lot to go through to add a cable to your system. Mike if you are right I will eat crow and will preach from the highest mountain top that you are right, and that cable burn-in is REAL.  For me anyway the myth will be considered busted or reinforce my belief that cable burn-in is a bunch of BS. 

For those who will argue the point of cable burn-in I fully understand the concept, and I don't plan to get sucked down that rat hole and I won't argue that....yet because at the end of this test I may be in your camp and I don't want to have a steady diet of crow so for now I will remain neutral on the subject until the test is complete.  However I will be totally transparent and honest about the results. So not trying to make anyone angry as I know beliefs about audio are sensitive subjects, and rightfully so this hobby is expensive and I like you have a substancial investment in this. Just trying to get to the truth. I also understand that cable burn-in may actually happen when you consider it from a scientific perspective, but the real question is can you actually hear the difference.  

I will report back to this thread in 17 days from today (need at least one day to evaluate) with the results. 

happy listening!!

-Keith
barnettk
5 things to think about

1. I’ve never purchased a cable or any gear that the initial "out of the box" sonic impression changed drastically from so called burn in. If I did not like the sound signature at first, I am not going to suddenly like it 400 hours later. Yes, cables and gear may open up a bit...however the base sound is apparent.

2. If burn in makes such a dramatic difference, used cables should cost more than new cables. The burn in process is already done (likely).

3. If audio engineers at the various companies thought the "burn in" would give them even the slightest edge (even at a higher price...Audiophiles will fork out the money) over competitors, they would burn in themselves. Manufacturers invent ways to mass test equipment all the time. Burn in process is not rocket science.

4. If I purchased a brand new home (newly built) and go set up my system. Will it take many hours of house electrical wiring to burn in before my system sounds optimal?

5. Would you buy a new car where you were told the driving would not be great the first couple of years (cars do open up a little after a couple of weeks..however, not to the point where you hated driving it at first..but now love it)? I know you can’t stand your girlfriend now with all that fighting, etc....just go ahead and marry her...things will improve in 2 years.

The logic does not hold IMO



That is one reason I’ve avoided Morrow (besides their web site is a crowded mish mash). Too much emphasis on the 400 hours of burn in time. Even ZU Audio will tell you the cables will sound great out of the box...but will improve over 400 hours.



Here's a two hour 'burn out' challenge.

Select about 30 seconds of music you know well and loop it on a cold system at its normal level. Play it for two hours continuous, listening all the while. I guarantee it will change.

In a day or two, repeat the test. Only this time, don't listen the whole while. Just pop in and out every so often for a couple of loops. The changes will still be there.

@aberyclark I hear you. I did not mention this because it will just take us back to where we started but may as well Bring it up. 

When I pulled the cable off the device I was using for the burn in and I immediately installed it in my reference system and did the comparison. The cable did improve. There is no question about it. However I did not listen again for about a week. Xmas, family, work etc. I listened again for the first time again on Xmas eve. Once again I immediately noticed that the cable sounded flat again. So not sure if this was because the cable lost some of its zing after sitting un-used for a period or what. Anyway. I called Morrow and I am returning the cable. In order for them to take the cable back I have to write up a summary of why and explain that I followed their burn In process which really made me A little upset to be honest. What if I did not have a way to expidite the burn in process. There is no way I could have put 400 hours under normal use before the 60 day return policy. Also I thought the return policy was supposed to be no questions asked. So that’s where it stands. It’s going back. Picked up a Audioquest Water cable. Sounds amazing out of the box and it should get better with time. 

The moral of the story is: if you buy it and you don’t like it day one.  Move on to the next thing. However I did learn a lot as a result of all this for sure.