Kuzma/Koetsu feedbak??


I am seriously considering the purchase of a new TT rig.  It consists of a Kuzma Stabi XL DC turntable, a matching Kuzma 4 Point 14" tonearm, and a Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum cartridge.  It will be played through a Naim 500 series amp and preamp and phono stage.  The speakers are a pair of brand new Grandinote Mach 36's.  I would appreciate any and all feedback from those familiar with this equipment.
Thanks for taking the time,
Mitch
orenstein
Maybe @Inna is right and you should do some comparisons, though it is almost impossible to get these things in the same room, same system and control variables. So you’ll likely have to evaluate in a dealer setting, but at least you should be able to play with the turntable and get a ’feel’ for it. Or find a couple of owners who will let you do the same.
How much the table/arm contributes (or better, doesn’t contribute) to the overall sound is sometimes tough to figure out in a completely unknown setting in my estimation.
The big Kronos is quite nice, I haven’t played with the smaller one, can you use a different arm if you choose to?
As to Doehmann, the Minus K technology works- I use the big Minus K isolation platform under my XL with an HRS ’plinth’ between the turntable and the Minus K. You do have to isolate the XL or at least put it on a very stable surface that can handle the weight.
One other factor, which is difficult to predict (except with hindsight) is whether a product will be enduring and be a ’classic’--there are some exceptional vintage tables that are now sought after, decades after they were manufactured, and others that were at the top of the heap for a while and are now not as desirable even if still manufactured. I’m not suggesting that is the case for either the Kronos or Doehmann, but it’s worth recognizing -- even though there may be no way of predicting that. I’m talking less about value as an ’investment" (few of these things are such) but design, engineering, manufacturing quality and whether the company is enduring. Some folks love turntables like the Rockport or others, even older, like the EMT, that are no longer made. That would be a fascinating topic for discussion elsewhere- what makes a classic hi-fi product as opposed to an old curiosity? I wish I could tell you.
Good luck-- this ought to be fun, and turntables and arms at this level ought to introduce fewer artifacts into the sound, so you will have the pleasure of hearing more by hearing less (if that makes any sense).
Bill
lewm
Thanks for your response.  I do not know anything about the Doehmann, but will look into it.  My Naim gear has been upgraded with recapping and DR improvements to the power supplies.  I also have the Naim 555 CD player with 2 555 power supplies (also DRed).   What makes you think they may not be up to snuff?  I've always thought the Naim gear offers a very natural sound.
@whart   Thank you for your thoughtful comments.  You are clearly far more versed in all things audio than I.  I love the idea of having various turntables brought into my home to sample, but as has already been stated, that is, unfortunately, a virtual impossibility.  I agree that the Kronos Pro LE is quite intriguing (and beautiful), but it also costs more than the Kuzma.  Is it worth the difference?  Also, I can get a good deal on the Kuzma, which will result in an even greater cost differentiation between the two.  That is why I have been leaning in that direction.  One last question.......As I mentioned earlier, the cartridge I am leaning toward is the Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum.  Are the stone bodied versions a significant improvement, or are they just cooler looking?
@orenstein- on the sound of the different Koetsu, I’ll defer to those who have owned them and compared them meaningfully. I haven’t had one in my system and I gather than the stone bodied ones are more neutral, but none of the newer Koestus are like the romantic ones of old.
There are several members here that have made the comparisons of cartridges, among them @albertporter. One factor in these is the cost of a factory retip given the price of entry, which is fairly high (one of the reasons some here have explored vintage cartridges or less expensive alternatives).
Where, generally are you located? City/State/Country?
PS: @syntax is also a good resource on these cartridges. 

I own a Kuzma Ref 2, and Ref 313 arm. It is the best table/arm that I have owned. I have owned Basis/Vector, Basis/Graham, and Well Tempered tables. I still own the latter, which I use in little second system. It befuddles me that the Kuzma tables have not caught on in the US, in the way the Kuzma tonearms have. Not sure if I could venture as to why, but that’s all for another conversation. I’m very happy with the Ref 2, and have been using an EMT Tsd-75 on there with very good results. I plan to upgrade my cartridge at one point, and I have no doubt this table/arm combination will be fully capable of realizing the potential of higher performing cartridges. As it stands now, I couldn’t imagine better performance from a $2K cartridge. It’s been a while since I’ve owned Koetsu, and that was Rosewood, RSP, and Jade P.... Of those cartridges, the RSP was the one that I happened to get the best performance from. However, due system changes that took place between the RSP and the Jade, that statement should be taken with a grain of salt. My RSP was a Sugano Sr era, and the Jade was not. I’d sure like to hear a Kuzma XL.